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terrorism can work ...
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as proved by osama.
bin ladens first and foremost demand was to get U.S troops out of his holy land ...suadi arabia...forcing america to invade iraq, to maintain their military presence in the middle east.
so who is winning at the moment?
bin ladens first and foremost demand was to get U.S troops out of his holy land ...suadi arabia...forcing america to invade iraq, to maintain their military presence in the middle east.
so who is winning at the moment?
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A bullet has proven to be an effective method of terminating a terrorist.
We have many bullets.
Siding with the terrorists? Join on in, in the fun. We have party favors for you, too.
but how many innocents are getting caught up with it all ?
Where did I say I was siding with terrorists?
You seem unable to understand basic English as well as lacking a grasp of history. Violence begets more violence. Terrorism has only ever been beaten by negotiation.
Read some history.
How many innocents were dying during Saddam? Another way to put this into perspective.
So before history was deemed as an uncool lesson in cool, we were taught about different Nordic sagas. I remember that the emphasise of one of them was how severely people in society were punished, to the extent that one of the kinds put a goldring on a cliff one day, and found it there after a given time. No one dared to steal it.
Now, I am not aiming for a king of society where people get killed for every minor offence should it be found out. That is what Saddam did.
But it portrays how some people back then, and still today don't understand our way of communicating, but need to see actions in a way which they understand.
It's so simple that even kids get this kind of logic. They do something wrong, they get explained what they did and get their gameboy taken away from the for a week to emphasise the importance of the punishment.
Life Under Saddam Hussein
Past Repression and Atrocities by Saddam Hussein's Regime
Life Under
Saddam Hussein
Escaping from Iraq
A Brutal Regime
For over 20 years, the greatest threat to Iraqis has been Saddam Hussein's regime -- he has killed, tortured, raped and terrorized the Iraqi people and his neighbors for over two decades.
When Iraq is free, past crimes against humanity and war crimes committed against Iraqis, will be accounted for, in a post-conflict Iraqi-led process. The United States, members of the coalition and international community will work with the Iraqi people to build a strong and credible judicial process to address these abuses.
Under Saddam's regime many hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of his actions - the vast majority of them Muslims.
According to a 2001 Amnesty International report, "victims of torture in Iraq are subjected to a wide range of forms of torture, including the gouging out of eyes, severe beatings and electric shocks... some victims have died as a result and many have been left with permanent physical and psychological damage."
Saddam has had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered.
Allegations of prostitution used to intimidate opponents of the regime, have been used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women.
Documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulted in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.
Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam's 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. o The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. o 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.
Iraq's 13 million Shi'a Muslims, the majority of Iraq's population of approximately 22 million, face severe restrictions on their religious practice, including a ban on communal Friday prayer, and restriction on funeral processions.
According to Human Rights Watch, "senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south." Refugees International reports that the "Oppressive government policies have led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who have fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein's Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government's campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continue to live as refugees in Iran."
The U.S. Committee for Refugees, in 2002, estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the "central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north."
"Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living." (Prime Minister Tony Blair, March 27, 2003) o Under the oil-for-food program, the international community sought to make available to the Iraqi people adequate supplies of food and medicine, but the regime blocked sufficient access for international workers to ensure proper distribution of these supplies. o Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition forces have discovered military warehouses filled with food supplies meant for the Iraqi people that had been diverted by Iraqi military forces.
The Iraqi regime has repeatedly refused visits by human rights monitors. From 1992 until 2002, Saddam prevented the UN Special Rapporteur from visiting Iraq.
The UN Special Rapporteur's September 2001, report criticized the regime for "the sheer number of executions," the number of "extrajudicial executions on political grounds," and "the absence of a due process of the law."
Executions: Saddam Hussein's regime has carried out frequent summary executions, including: o 4,000 prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in 1984 o 3,000 prisoners at the Mahjar prison from 1993-1998 o 2,500 prisoners were executed between 1997-1999 in a "prison cleansing campaign" o 122 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in February/March 2000 o 23 political prisoners were executed at Abu Ghraib prison in October 2001 o At least 130 Iraqi women were beheaded between June 2000 and April 2001
And despite what you may hear and see through the media, life for the average Iraqi has improved greatly. There will of course be stumbling blocks here and there. This is a known fact.
They were accustomed to tyranny and just adjusting to the concept "freedom of speech"....well it takes awhile to sink in.
Nice parable, but totally irrelevant. Terrorism will always be with us, its a tactic, not a nation state, a particular group of people an idealogy or political philosophy. So the so called "War on Terror" can never be won. To understand why people resort to terror tactics, to communicate with them and ultimately try to negotiate a peaceful resolution is the ONLY way that you will stop it.
Tackling the Israel/Palestine situation, setting up an international UN force in Iraq and setting up fair global trade rules might be a start.
the only other people as defiant as them are the zionists.
I'm not sure if thats entirely true.
The ties between Osama and the Saudi Royalty are part of the reason that we left that place. In that regard, he got what he may have wanted.
Why stay and help a country when you find out that they are secretly fighting against you?
Just like the terrorists in support of North Vietnam were "beaten" by the negotiations at the tables in Paris, right?
Terrorists are only "beaten" by termination.
And as to "reading"?
Have spent more time in the doing of events which were recorded through the prejudices and agendas of those removed from the moment, who in their supposition, deigned and ordeigned themselves the self-proclaimed guardians of delusions, your "historians".
I believe what I have lived, and witnessed. You? On the other hand? Would prefer the propaganda force-fed by your handlers...
Keep living in that dreamworld army wank fantasy of yours.
DAMN!
My sincere compliments upon your clarity!
We have our differences, you and I , but you called THAT one 100%!
And you continue the parasitic existence, in yours...
Parasitic? How do you work that out? I have job, helping people back to work or college, I pay my taxes.
Keep deluding yourself.
Of course we knew about the Saudi terrorist connections, but not until recently the depth of them.
Have you ever thought that maybe beyond the obvious, that there may perhaps be underlying issues not brought out to the general public?
As for invading Iraq just to have a stepping off point in the ME....now thats a good joke!
osama shold suddenly appear on the podium at mecca brandishing a kalshnikov with a war cry to topple the royals ...if bush was honest and stated that as his purpose to protect the wests life blood ...oil ...then i'd be with him. but political sensetivities stop that from being said.
we need to have power in the middle east for our lifestyles to continue ...someone has to be top dog ...rather us than them.
I agree with you about the need for a presence in the ME wholeheartedly.
But I disagree as to why we invaded Iraq...and thats ok too...
I love you too :rolleyes: