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I did not proclaim any transatlantic influence as a fact, I merely raised a possible supposition for discussion based on a string of these violent crime threads which have been cropping up recently.
Seems I can't even try to change the tone of my posts without further snide commentary from certain longtime opponents here.
Go figure.
Sometimes not commenting on what was said stops the rest of us being bored to tears and every thread it is done in degenerating into chaos.
I think you have made your point, and there are some things in life you just have to live with.
That is because Kermit hasn't taken every opportunity to push this point of view on to Shogun every time Shogun says something.
If there is a message to be learnt here it is to never tell a mod they are talking bullshit.
I took no offence when the comment was made, I cannot understand why you did
I just thought it was wrong for you to try and censor what shogun says. I dont think he was being partcularly offensive or anything, just stating his view.
Surely the real lesson to be learnt here is never to tell anyone they're talking bullshit. Just present your opinions or your arguments and explain why you hold to them.
it is a debate forum after all.
but yeah your opinion about never telling anyone they are talking bullshit is also valid. But do me a favour when I do tell someone they are talking bullshit, just bring this thread back up, because I have a short memory.
I was commenting upon the statement which he posted. I wasn't the only one to do so. And highlighting his routine.
I just guess that hearing the same remarks over and over again from someone else, aren't boring you into oblivion?
But fine enough. You can have your way.
If you'd noticed, you'd had seen that I have retracted from threads where my obvious disagreement with him is present.
So no, it's just stating that I think that his suggestions belong in a whole other thread, and that they shouldn't "celebrate" on the death of the baby.
To tell, I can. Now it's the outcome, which I don't have any control over
It's called having backbone, and not hiding behind others. Something which LadyJade has commented to you at several occasions, but with nicer words and tone.
If you have your reasonings behind it, and can put up arguments for it, then yes.
It's not wrong to highlight problems.
I won't stay on a stand, in order not to admit I was wrong. But this time I just don't feel that I was. Don't want this thread to become a me vs. the rest thread thingy, but at least I want to clarify my own position.
First you give me an instance where i shouldn't tell someone they're talking bullshit out of respect for authority as if you think that's something i would do or was even supporting. You then proceed to agree with the point i actually made about not telling anyone that they're talking bullshit.
lol which is it to be? am i pro or anti? :crazyeyes
To be honest then in that case I hope you have an understanding boss. I would never tell my boss he/she was talking bullshit, I would think it but maybe a bit more diplomatic
Screwtape its ok, I confuse everyone, even myself sometimes
basically if I say someones talking *bullshit* just bring this thread up lol
Your right by the way, its just on occasions I have said people were talking bullshit and later realised I maybe should not have said it, or did it in a more diplomatic way
Funny thing is, diplomats are often not to great in their usage of diplomacy. Which is why I am gonna be one
Thats the spirit :thumb:
*basks in the warm glow*
Dont get to love them too much, probably be a while before you hear them again
No, if he said he supported the death penalty that would have been fine. But to say that this case merited the death penalty, a full FOUR HOURS after the stabbing, then that is not stating an opinion, it is uttering rubbish. How can he say the man deserves to DIE after reading 200 words about something that happened?
Please enlighten me.
Isnt life a bitch?
The fact is Jacq, Clandestine has a point about Hollywood violence breeding real-life violence. Its a theory supported by many psychologists. Ergo, its not an irrelevance.
But its still a theory with a lot of credence. And, to be honest, its a theory that I happen to think is accurate, at least in part.
As long as the articles didn't hint out towards it in any way, I still think it's as rash as the whole death penalty comment, whích you were so firmly against.
Now what made him leave Bangladesh, that would be a more valid reason behind his insanity at a point where we know nothing.
I am not denying that the movie industry has it's impact on different people. I just think it's a very brazen comment to write in this particular situation.
You`d have to ask him tbh.
The baby died at 11.30 BST on tuesday 21/10.
maybe weve read different articles, but thats like a day and a half later, so im not entirely sure why you think he wrote it 4 hours after the attack. Sorry to be pedantic, but you are
Of course in her initimatable style, Jacq will see what she wants to see rather than what is actually posted, so be it.
Good luck on the diplomacy front is all I can say to her.
Thank you, is what she can reply.
My bad. I thought the incident had only happened when Becky made her post. Oh well.
Oh fuck off. Not quite sure what Ive done to you (except "pick on" the darling Badabing) but Christ, deal with it. Horses quite that high arent safe places to be- its a long way to fall.
Yes, I could have been. But Im fed up of being diplomatic, yet being told Im "a self-righteous arsehole", with that being one of the nicer things said.
Diplomacy isnt always the best option.
hold on shall I go and edit it so it loks better
No offence to any mods but I do not see them as people of authority when it comes to debating about politics.
I respect and listen to their opinions but I will not give it any more or less credence than anyone else (though to be fair they are often more sensible)
And why should you?
As I keep saying, we are all entitled to express an opinion, and it is all about your perspective and your willingness to listen and process what you have heard, and a respect for everyone's right to have a say.
A lot of the time I refrain from expressing my opinion because I would prefer not to be accused of political or ideological bias if I have to pull someone up on something. Also, it is easier to be 'sensible' if you aren't in the thick of the argument.
As for the last comment, it doesn't mean we aren't talking bullshit, we just don't want to hear that we are What can I say, I was having a pissed off Friday............