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Originally posted by Skateside And kevlar85, the Christian would have to be truely sorry and mean it, but it's one of the good point of Christianity in my belief:
no matter how much it looks like you've screwed it up, God will always forgive you if you're sorry
Originally posted by MoonRat I believe in re-incarnation actually.
Originally posted by Skateside I still don't get it.
I mean, why would you want to go and be with someone you don't believe exists?
Originally posted by Clandestine I wish i hadnt let my biblical hebrew go rusty, i was one of the best students in translation. Kinda miss my concordances and such.
Ah well, along came politics and carried me away...
Originally posted by monocrat Why not? Why should it be written in stone that 'belief in God' is necessary?
Originally posted by Morrocon Rolli don't believe in it and i didn't in my last life ...
Originally posted by MoonRat Um... because it's what the Bible says.
I do... and karma. I don't like the heaven and hell idea because I feel it's used to enforce social control. Karma suits me better because it basically means that if you play nice, nice stuff happens instead of "believe this or shag her and you go to hell"...
Originally posted by MoonRat and you have to believe in God to get in to heaven.
Originally posted by Stephie I've never thought that. I always assumed that if Christianity is the religion then God would accept you into Heaven regardless of whether you are a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddist or if you do not believe in a God or religion at all. I think its all to do with how you've lived your life, people who have lived 'good' lives will have eternal paradise & people who haven't, wont.
It's hard to explain what i mean By 'good' life, i don't mean people who've never broken a single law. I think it means people who have never intentionally harmed anyone & just made the best & done the best they can with what they had.
As for people saying sorry on their deathbed in the hopes of getting to Heaven i think they have to genuinely mean it. To me there is a difference between saying sorry because you are afraid of the consequences if you don't & saying sorry and actually meaning it. I think you have to mean it to get into Heaven.
Anyways that is just my opinion.
Originally posted by morrocan roll the trouble with this kind of thinking is your religous spiritual beliefs are based on supermarket shopping. "ooo , that looks like a bargain ...i like the look of this ...i'm having none of that" wheres the truth in it? wheres the wisdom and guidance? where is the protection from your foolish human choices and desires?
i don't like that bit ...the bit you don't like might just be the truth.
surely religion is about conviction and comitment ...where some of the rules are NOT ...to your liking and choosing.