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Understanding loved boys and boy lovers

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Amazon are not going to take a book off it's shelf called

Understanding loved boys and boy lovers

It's a pro- paedophile book telling people how the freakish paedophile's are just insecure and that there's nothing wrong with and older male having sex with s boy under the legal age of consent.

Surely a book the express' these sort of views should be taken off sale as it's just basicly saying that that vile paedophile's are just normal people like me and you and give out the message that abuseing young children is not wrong.


Hmmmm, I read yesterday that Amazon wasn't gonna take it down but it now looks like they have. :confused:

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How can any person justify paedophilia?

    Next I'd expect books which condone rape then..:rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What does the law say about this? We know it's an offence to publish racist or homophobic material. But what about a book attempting to portray paedophilia or indeed rape as acceptable? Is it illegal or merely extremely wrong?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure. As the guy is American it could be classed as free speech which means he could sell it in the States without trouble. Let's hope not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Is it illegal or merely extremely wrong?

    I think it should be illegal and it is certainly extremely wrong. Most societys would agree that the "love" children have for an adult is non-sexual and there is no way that any apologist can get around this. The fact that their genitalia, for instance, have not yet fully developed would keep any normal human being at a distance from them sexually ... after all, we don't eat unripen fruit, do we?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you have a link to this story Felix?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The fact that it is promoting homosexual paedophilla should upset gay rights groups as they get enough abuse as it is. Most homosexuals are not paedophiles yet this book is going to make a lot of people think they are. So if anyone should be calling for its ban it should be gay rights groups. In the same way that an Islamic book in support of Osama bin Laden would cause outrage amongst normal Muslims who would want it banned for portraying Muslims as supporters of terrorism.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    How can any person justify paedophilia?

    Simple.

    It's a sexual fetish in the same way that some people like S&M, others like feet and the really perverted like the missionary position.

    Paedophilia - from a sexual point of view - is no different to homosexuality or heterosexuality.

    Society believes it to be wrong though.

    Anyway, monocrat, what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Simple.

    It's a sexual fetish in the same way that some people like S&M, others like feet and the really perverted like the missionary position.

    Paedophilia - from a sexual point of view - is no different to homosexuality or heterosexuality.

    Society believes it to be wrong though.

    Anyway, monocrat, what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?

    Paeidophilla is very different from homosexuality and hetrosexuality because a person must be twisted to prey on child.

    '....what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?'

    Whatever happened to protection of children?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I can't see how this can be considered in comparison to other sexual fetishes or behaviour, as a child cannot be considered as consenting in the same way as an adult.

    They are not mature enough to be making this form of decision.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anyway, monocrat, what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?

    With freedom comes responsibility. I suppose you think otherwise, huh?

    This person may have the right to say what he wants on this issue but not to do it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Without sounding contradictory though I don't get nor agree with this notion of childhood 'innocence'.

    Why should people be especially 'nice' to children? Why should children expect such treatment? It's unnecessary.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by dantheman

    Paeidophilla is very different from homosexuality and hetrosexuality because a person must be twisted to prey on child.

    '....what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?'

    Whatever happened to protection of children?

    Im not saying that peadophilia is Ok, but some people think it is twisted to be attracted to the same sex. For instance, in Queer as Folk, the lad consented to it, but he was underage. He was 14 though, and old enough to know what was going on. Though that was seen as peadophilia.

    And the quote he said dan, was what monocrat says all the time. He seems to have double standards. Well no, he just wants to disagree with everyone else :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Without sounding contradictory though I don't get nor agree with this notion of childhood 'innocence'.

    Why should people be especially 'nice' to children? Why should children expect such treatment? It's unnecessary.

    We were all kids once and to quote Arthur Schopenhaur - "Compassion is the basis of all morality"

    To ensure good mental health in adults they need a stable childhood.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't believe they do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by dantheman
    Paeidophilla is very different from homosexuality and hetrosexuality because a person must be twisted to prey on child.

    1. Don't assume that all paedophiles "prey" on children. Not all are sexually active.

    2. What makes someone who finds children attractive any more "twisted" than someone who finds the same/opposite sex attractive?
    '....what ever happened to freedom of choice without state intervention?'

    Whatever happened to protection of children?

    This was more aimed at monocrat than a general statement. He usually argues that the state should intervene in areas of individual choice...
    Originally posted by BlackArab
    I can't see how this can be considered in comparison to other sexual fetishes or behaviour, as a child cannot be considered as consenting in the same way as an adult.

    They are not mature enough to be making this form of decision.

    Says society. But why?

    I don't want you to think that I condone paedophilia, but I think we need to understand why the laws are there as they are. To suggest that they are there because paedophiles are twisted, or perverted, isn't enough.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    2. What makes someone who finds children attractive any more "twisted" than someone who finds the same/opposite sex attractive?

    I understand that research suggests that people with paedophile tendencies "learn" their behaviour whereas attraction to the same/opposite sex is genetic. Many victims become predators themselves thus enlarging the circle.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by the doc horatio
    For instance, in Queer as Folk, the lad consented to it, but he was underage. He was 14 though, and old enough to know what was going on. Though that was seen as peadophilia.

    I think the lines between paedophilia and sex with a minor are getting more than a little blurred in this country....Having sex with someone who is below the age of consent does not automatically make one a paedophile. Remember there is no such crime as paedophilia, only child abuse/molestation laws.

    Being a paedophile means being attracted to prepubescent children...Its rare these days that a 14 year old boy is prepubescent.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog, I think that there was an article in The Sun about it.. An investigation has been launched as well.

    Looks like Amazon have still got the book up for sale..

    I never knew this was old news! I only read it my self in The Sun the other day. I'm just looking at peoples comments on the book and one person say's.:

    "As a pedophile myself I found this book to be enlightening in my quest to truly come to terms with my own sexuality... Although it doesn't glorify child molestation it does attempt to shed the positive aspects of a healthy boy/male relationship... For anyone trying to understand this phenomenon that is fairly commonplace in society this brave book argues the point as well as any other..."

    "it may help parents to understand that there may actually be benefits to such relationships." What ever.

    That's just not right! there's loads of more or less the same comments. :mad:


    There's one story here but's it's quite old. Maybe if you look at www.thesun.co.uk you might be able to find some stuff on it there.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29094
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog
    I think the lines between paedophilia and sex with a minor are getting more than a little blurred in this country....Having sex with someone who is below the age of consent does not automatically make one a paedophile. Remember there is no such crime as paedophilia, only child abuse/molestation laws.

    Being a paedophile means being attracted to prepubescent children...Its rare these days that a 14 year old boy is prepubescent.

    That was my point
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    Without sounding contradictory though I don't get nor agree with this notion of childhood 'innocence'.

    Why should people be especially 'nice' to children? Why should children expect such treatment? It's unnecessary.

    Personally I think children deserve a few years of jelly babies and playtime before they are exposed to the adult world of sex and vice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by monocrat
    I don't believe they do.



    You really don't understand people do you? Are you a sociopath?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the decision made to sell this book by Amazon could potentially make this company loose thousands of pounds in sales.
    I read a few open letters sent to a daily paper and the amount of people who were disgusted with this decision was tremendous. Lots of people wrote in to say they were now going to boycott Amazon because of this so all in all if these people do as they say then Amazon could be in for a big suprise.
    My view on this is it should never have been allowed to get to print stage let alone reach the shelves.
    What scares me most about this whole thing is the fact that this book is a *Best Seller*, now thats what I cant understand.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    I think the decision made to sell this book by Amazon could potentially make this company loose thousands of pounds in sales.
    I read a few open letters sent to a daily paper and the amount of people who were disgusted with this decision was tremendous. Lots of people wrote in to say they were now going to boycott Amazon because of this so all in all if these people do as they say then Amazon could be in for a big suprise.
    My view on this is it should never have been allowed to get to print stage let alone reach the shelves.
    What scares me most about this whole thing is the fact that this book is a *Best Seller*, now thats what I cant understand.
    read somewhere a few months ago that a group of legal idiots are going to present a case to the european court of human rights in which they will say that downloading and having a collection of child porn should not and cannot be treated as criminal behaviour ...on the grounds that having such images is not actualy committing a crime, only thinking about something ilegal and dwelling on it cannot be a crime. i can see where there coming from but they can only be doing this to show off their skills ...surely they can't be doing it on the grounds of justice, compassion etc. same kind of overfed fucking idiots who are presenting cases on behalf of burglars and muggers being able to claim against you if they hurt themselves on your property!
    the western worlds obsession with freedom to be who we want and do what we want when we want ...as some kind of 'right' is going to far. we have to have rules and laws and boundaries to have any chance of having a decent world in which to live but no ...to many people believe they can do whatever they like ...we are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    the western worlds obsession with freedom to be who we want and do what we want when we want ...as some kind of 'right' is going to far. we have to have rules and laws and boundaries to have any chance of having a decent world in which to live but no ...to many people believe they can do whatever they like ...we are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.
    :yes: Totally agree with you there morrocan roll.

    Is Amazon the only place that sells this book? It seems that way...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    read somewhere a few months ago that a group of legal idiots are going to present a case to the european court of human rights in which they will say that downloading and having a collection of child porn should not and cannot be treated as criminal behaviour ...on the grounds that having such images is not actualy committing a crime, only thinking about something ilegal and dwelling on it cannot be a crime.

    They are sitting back and watching images of children being abused. Surely that's aiding and abbetting, if nothing else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Slog
    They are sitting back and watching images of children being abused. Surely that's aiding and abbetting, if nothing else.
    the article i read pointed out the suffering and pain and even death in some cases that the kids would be put through for these sicko's to gloat over, so i believe the penalties should be extremely severe.
    i cannot for the life of me understand the mentality of the legal nobs who want to push this apart from showing off what clever bastards they are with legal matters.
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