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Are you voting? And why?

AidanAidan PotatoPosts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
In my area during my whole lifetime, the vote has always gone the same way. We've had the same MP for over 20 years.

It got me thinking whether I should just vote for the popular opinion or whether another option would better represent my stances and what I think the big issues are. Because when I vote in the upcoming general election, will be the first time I can vote.

Bit more background to my solution:
In the end I decided that there were a handful of issues that were the most important in my opinion and from my perspective, climate change and Brexit topping that list.

This split me because it seemed like there was no single party who would be best for all those issues. There was no clear winner. So I started giving the party which was best for an issue 2 points, 2nd best 1 point, and adding up the points each party had at the end. The party with the most points was the winner for me. I was very happy that there was an overall winner this time around.

I only researched the stances and the recent history of the Conservatives, Labour and Lib Dems in the end- they are the big parties in my opinion that stand a chance of winning in my constituency and overall in parliament, and a vote to a little party seemed like a wasted vote.

So I'm voting the way I am because of climate change, Brexit, and who the realistic potential winners in my area are.

Are you going to vote?

And what is making you vote that way?

Please share below the reason you're going to vote the way you are, as a first-time voter I'm interested to hear your opinion on things :smiley:

Are you voting? And why? 19 votes

I am voting
73%
SkiveJacob101AifeMikeMaisyJellyelephantShaunieAidanPast UserGreenTeaChloechubbydumplingPoppyBEvelyn360 14 votes
I can vote, but am not
10%
LaineButterfly23 2 votes
I can't vote, but know who I would vote for
10%
Kathleen07stormsanddreams 2 votes
I can't vote, and don't know who I'd vote for
5%
Kasa2103 1 vote
Aife
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Comments

  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    I am voting
    Bit of a blunder, I meant to put this in politics and debate and anonymise the poll. @The Mix 

    Sorry!
  • Evelyn360Evelyn360 Posts: 84 Miniposter
    I am voting
    I think I'm going to vote for the Green Party because even though they're not one of the "big ones" it still gives them a chance to get more seats in Parliament. I've think whichever way the vote goes we're going to end up with a pants Brexit deal, it will only get better after time once theres time to actually systematically go through everything and figure out what works best. There's so much legislation entangled with the EU it would take years to actually plan and work out what's in our best interest and i really dont think the government put enough time and energy into practicalities when they issued the referendum, so now they're left scrambling. Not that I disagree with Brexit, I just think the government were too proud to actually plan for it. 
  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    edited October 2019
    I am voting
    Evelyn360 said:
    I think I'm going to vote for the Green Party because even though they're not one of the "big ones" it still gives them a chance to get more seats in Parliament.

    Thanks for your opinion!

    I know for some people Green is the go-to 'protest vote' and it's refreshing to see recently more people making serious votes for Green because the climate really does matter. I don't agree with some of their other stances such as massive military cuts, but maybe if they secure places because of their radical climate stance maybe they'll change their other unpopular ideas to pander to the general voting public.

  • Evelyn360Evelyn360 Posts: 84 Miniposter
    I am voting
    I'd agree with that, I'm not sure how well they'd do if they actually did win, I probably wouldn't vote for them if they were up there but I do think it would help to have more pressure on environmental policies in Parliament. 
  • LaineLaine Llama Mama Posts: 1,376 Fanatical Poster
    I can vote, but am not
    Its always been a torn vote between labour and lib dems (and a bit of green party) but i still feel like i'm picking the best as they all have their bad bits, I've never looked at someone and thought for sure it would be them.

    I'm gonna sit this vote out because lib dems and labour aren't very pro brexit and while i'm not i don't think another referendum would help, we just need to get it over with and deal with the consequences. That being said,

    I would never in my right mind vote tories 😂 and wouldn't want to deal with them for the time after so i'm sitting out.

    My tactic is to vote when i think there's a sure good party

    🌈Positive thoughts🌈 

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    Skive
  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    edited November 2019
    I am voting
    Laine said:
    I've never looked at someone and thought for sure it would be them.

    My tactic is to vote when i think there's a sure good party

    Thanks for sharing!

    I used to think as well that it wasn't worth voting because there was no party that was good at everything- but I think I've changed my mind. I don't think abstaining from voting can make a change- parties are not going to change their policies to please the group of non-voters but they might for the group of people who will actually vote for and support them.

    Young people are under-represented in parliament because we have a bigger proportion of non-voters at our age than any other. I think as the young generations are more concerned about climate change too, this means environmental policy is particularly damaged by our age group having a relatively low voter turnout.



    Laine said:
    I'm gonna sit this vote out because lib dems and labour aren't very pro brexit and while i'm not i don't think another referendum would help, we just need to get it over with and deal with the consequences.

    This I agree with- parties that think there's a chance of overturning Brexit can't deliver a good Brexit. Maybe parties that do want to deliver Brexit can't either, but you think they'd at least be better. Labour, the Lib Dems and Green are all anti-Brexit, so that makes the Conservatives the best 'Brexit' vote. But like you I don't believe they would be as good as other parties at issues besides Brexit.


    MikeSkive
  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    I am voting
    Thanks everyone so far for your thoughts, they've been really interesting to hear smiley

    What information do you feel is important to be able to make an informed vote?

    To anyone who isn't too confident that their vote is right, or isn't going to be voting at all: what info do you think would help you to make that vote?

    For me, I think it's important to know where parties stand on the big issues and what they've done about those issues in the past.

    A good turnout of young adult voters is important to make sure we're fairly represented in parliament, and issues important to us get their time in the limelight.

    The guys at @The Mix are working on some content for the upcoming election and they're interested in hearing young people's thoughts 
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,054 I eat threads for breakfast
    I am voting
    I plan to vote, though as a Leave voting Labour member I'm in a bit of a pickle.

    This is a usefulf site for anybody who would like to vote but may not have a great interest in politics. 
    https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
    MikeMaisy
  • MikeMike Hummus-Fuelled Whovian LondonPosts: 1,884 Staff Moderator
    I am voting
    No worries @Aidan! I've moved this to P&D now. We can't anonymise a poll that already exists but that doesn't seem to be an issue so far, so that's all good. :3

    It's interesting to see how everyone is approaching this election - particularly @Butterfly23 and @Laine who won't be voting despite being able to. That feeling of having no good options seems quite common in modern politics (or maybe just politics in general), and it's gotten me thinking: do we all need to compromise a little bit when voting?

    It's very unlikely that we'll find someone who perfectly aligns with our political views. And even if that ideal candidate does exist, you could argue that passing legislation always requires compromise on both sides, and so how much is an ideal candidate really worth? It's tough to weigh pragmatism against principles and values, and voting for someone you can't wholly endorse can feel a bit wrong.

    I'll definitely be voting, but I'm not sure who for yet. Either way, for me it's worth showing the government that they do have young voters to appeal to (as @Aidan touched on). Like @Evelyn360 I've voted Green before, even though I know they're not going to get into power because I think they need more representation.

    Thanks for putting this post together Aidan and for sharing so much info. :3
    All behaviour is a need trying to be met.
  • MikeMike Hummus-Fuelled Whovian LondonPosts: 1,884 Staff Moderator
    edited November 2019
    I am voting
    It would also be really interesting to see what people think to this:

    @Aidan said:
    What information do you feel is important to be able to make an informed vote?


    To anyone who isn't too confident that their vote is right, or isn't going to be voting at all: what info do you think would help you to make that vote?
    All behaviour is a need trying to be met.
  • Kasa2103Kasa2103 Ugly Snake South EastPosts: 2,424 Mega Poster
    I can't vote, and don't know who I'd vote for
    I want to yeet Brexit! Even if I was old enough I would not be voting. Everything at the moment has been stressful enough. I don't need anything else about Brexit affecting my life.
    I am ugly no matter what they say. Nothing but a burden is what I am. 
  • PoppyBPoppyB Posts: 152 Moderator
    I am voting
    Very interesting topic and conversations on this thread!

    I've found that my friends (in our early 20's) are echoing what is being said here with either becoming really passionate about how every vote matters or becoming completely disillusioned with the whole process due to 'Brexit fatigue' that they can no longer be bothered about voting. 

    Personally I'm not sure exactly which party I'm voting for yet, but @Skive thanks for posting the website - I'll have a look into it later :)

    I think having a clear outline from an unbiased source of what each party is planning to deliver, what they have delivered previously and the values that they stand for would be really helpful! 

    chubbydumpling
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 7,173 The Mix Elder
    I am voting
    Eventho i have no idea what its all about. And how youre meant to trust what they say. I just vote for whoever my dad votes for 
    “If we could look into each other’s hearts and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care” Marvin J. Ashton
  • JellyelephantJellyelephant Bpd bitch ✌🏼 Posts: 719 Incredible Poster
    I am voting
    I will be voting because I believe it’s hugely important and especially as a woman (because women didn’t always have the right to vote) to exercise my democratic rights. Even if you just spoil the ballot it is better than not voting although I completely understand the points made above. 

    One thing that confuses me is the tactical voting thing. I don’t understand it and I don’t know how to do it. I don’t understand why we can’t just vote for the party we want to be in charge. That is what I will be doing anyway rather than this tactical business although I am not sure who I will vote for yet as I need to read more about the policies. 

    Politics affects every area of our lives, it is so important that we do our best to vote. There’s a great video by holly mcnish that I love; so I will end this by posting it for you guys.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc0VqwKuJHY&feature=share

    (It’s a short poem) 


    The sun will rise and we will try again 
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,054 I eat threads for breakfast
    I am voting
    One thing that confuses me is the tactical voting thing. I don’t understand it and I don’t know how to do it. I don’t understand why we can’t just vote for the party we want to be in charge. That is what I will be doing anyway rather than this tactical business although I am not sure who I will vote for yet as I need to read more about the policies. 



    In a General Election, tactical voting means choosing a candidate whom they wouldn’t normally support in order to prevent another candidate from winning.

    The problem with this, is that it encourages people to vote for a candidate or a party whose policy they may not agree with. It can also be hard to work out who is likely to win, and who is the best person to cast a ‘tactical’ vote for. Voters have to second guess the rest of the electorate based on past results and polling.

    This is why tactical voting is a bad idea.

    Unfortunately our undemocratic and out of date first-past-the-post electorial system makes tactical voting more likely. 

    Jellyelephant
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,054 I eat threads for breakfast
    I am voting
    Another good quiz that'll help you decide who to vote for.

    https://uk.isidewith.com/
  • Kathleen07Kathleen07 Posts: 1,858 Postholic
    I can't vote, but know who I would vote for
    Sadly I'm too young to vote, but I'd vote for Labour if I was able. That's what my dad will vote for too. I'd also consider voting for Green like others have said, though the argument that you want to pick who has a chance at winning is something I'm thinking of too.

    I think Labour should win because I trust them, they seem like a generally kinder party than the Conversatives and I think they'll take care of the country a lot better. I don't know a whole lot about politics and a lot about it I just hear from my parents, but I do know that the NHS and council is underfunded, that the benefits system has issues, and all that kind of stuff, and I think Labour would take care of those issues. I'm also worried about Brexit and Labour would probably give us the smoothest deal, though I see the worry about how they're not pro-Brexit.

    Did you know I went to one of Jeremy Corbyn's speeches a few years back? That was a fun day, a seagull shat in my mom's hair :joy:  

    It's interesting to hear everyone's ideas :)
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 7,173 The Mix Elder
    I am voting
    Yeah ill be voting labour cause of NHS
    “If we could look into each other’s hearts and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care” Marvin J. Ashton
    Kathleen07
  • ItaliaItalia Posts: 110 Staff Moderator
    Hey Everyone, 

    I read a tweet from a charity called My Life My Say, saying that there is still a third of young people in the UK who are not registered to vote! There are still 6 days to register to vote, and I wanted to drop in and encourage anyone who hasn't registered to get on it. It takes 2 minutes to register here, but has the potential to have a massive impact! :) 

    "Owning your story is the bravest thing you will ever do" - Brene Brown
    Salix_alba_2019
  • Ed_Ed_ Posts: 124 Staff Moderator
    Last bump of what Italia said:
    Hey Everyone, 

    I read a tweet from a charity called My Life My Say, saying that there is still a third of young people in the UK who are not registered to vote! There are still 6 days to register to vote, and I wanted to drop in and encourage anyone who hasn't registered to get on it. It takes 2 minutes to register here, but has the potential to have a massive impact! :) 


    Less than 7 hours to go to register to vote, if you don't do so by 23.59 tonight, then you lose your voice to have your say. As Aidan pointed out, young people are the least likely group to vote, so let's try and change this at this election! There is a handy guide on The Mix site about all your options for voting. 
    "You've just got to carry what you can, Have the heart of a giant but know you're a man. Start small, grow tall."
    Little Giant ~ Roo Panes
  • GreenTeaGreenTea The best. The moonPosts: 1,415 Fanatical Poster
    I am voting
    Not long till voting day now. Trying to avoid the news tbh as they just keep slagging off political parties and slatting them for small actions. 
  • MaisyMaisy CymruPosts: 234 Moderator
    I am voting
    I usually vote labour but this year I'm considering either plaid cymru or an independent candidate because I'm leaning more towards their priorities. That said, I also tend to think that politicians will promise all sorts to get elected :\
  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    I am voting
    The vote's next week, be sure to look who's running to be your MP and research them if you haven't already!- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50459517
  • Kathleen07Kathleen07 Posts: 1,858 Postholic
    I can't vote, but know who I would vote for
    Tomorrow's election day and I'm getting pretty nervous. My gut tells me that Tories will win but I hope they don't, I know there's not much you can do about it though.
    Sadly I'm too young to vote, but I'd vote for Labour if I was able. That's what my dad will vote for too. I'd also consider voting for Green like others have said, though the argument that you want to pick who has a chance at winning is something I'm thinking of too.

    I think Labour should win because I trust them, they seem like a generally kinder party than the Conversatives and I think they'll take care of the country a lot better. I don't know a whole lot about politics and a lot about it I just hear from my parents, but I do know that the NHS and council is underfunded, that the benefits system has issues, and all that kind of stuff, and I think Labour would take care of those issues. I'm also worried about Brexit and Labour would probably give us the smoothest deal, though I see the worry about how they're not pro-Brexit.

    Did you know I went to one of Jeremy Corbyn's speeches a few years back? That was a fun day, a seagull shat in my mom's hair :joy:  

    It's interesting to hear everyone's ideas :)
    It turns out that I'm in an area of Wales where voting Labour can't do much. I don't really understand the voting system much but I've learned more in the past few days. My parents will probably vote Plaid Cymru.

    I respect not everyone likes or trusts Labour, and I think every party probably has their bad bits like Laine said. But I also feel like it's a lesser of two evils situation. Even if Labour isn't your thing, we'll get Conservatives if it's not them and I'd definitely rather Labour. From what I know Green seem nice and reliable as well, but I'd vote for Labour myself because Green isn't big enough to win.
    Shaunie
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 7,173 The Mix Elder
    I am voting
    Jeremy corbyn seems like he actually cares about other people. And boris johnson is rude. 
    “If we could look into each other’s hearts and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care” Marvin J. Ashton
    Kathleen07
  • ItaliaItalia Posts: 110 Staff Moderator
    Hey Everyone!

    I have seen a bit in the news lately saying that "Young people don't care about politics" - Do us all a favour and prove them wrong by getting out and voting if you can. In my experience, young people care deeply. 

    If you have registered you can vote. Drop us a line if you have any questions about where or how to vote, we will keep an eye on this thread throughout the day. 

    In the meantime check out https://wheredoivote.co.uk/ if your not sure where to vote :) 
    "Owning your story is the bravest thing you will ever do" - Brene Brown
    Kathleen07
  • Kathleen07Kathleen07 Posts: 1,858 Postholic
    I can't vote, but know who I would vote for
    Shaunie said:
    Jeremy corbyn seems like he actually cares about other people. And boris johnson is rude. 
    Yeah, exactly. The only reason people ever vote Conservatives, in my experience, is because they're snobby and believe what they hear in newpapers like the daily mail or they're just nasty people.

    I'm hoping my gran's voting for Labour or Plaid Cymru because I'm afraid to say, she's a bit of a snobby and naive person. She's lovely yet she votes for Conservatives. Her politics are weird :/ I think I'm going to ask who she's voting for and try my best to persuade her to avoid voting Conservatives. It's important for me that Labour win because I'm worried about our healthcare, expenses, etc and particularly with this election I'm worried about what Tories are gonna do with Brexit.

    Italia said:
    Hey Everyone!

    I have seen a bit in the news lately saying that "Young people don't care about politics" - Do us all a favour and prove them wrong by getting out and voting if you can. In my experience, young people care deeply. 

    If you have registered you can vote. Drop us a line if you have any questions about where or how to vote, we will keep an eye on this thread throughout the day. 

    In the meantime check out https://wheredoivote.co.uk/ if your not sure where to vote :) 
    I'd echo this too. A lot of people aren't interested in voting but if that's you, I hope you know how important your vote is. It's fine of course if you decide not to vote, but it really does make a difference for so many people :)
    Shaunie
  • AidanAidan Potato Posts: 1,357 Fanatical Poster
    I am voting
    For me it's going to be between Labour and the Conservatives in my area. Reading their manifestos and listing pros and cons for each before I vote tonight. Labour doesn't seem to be good for business or security but is for public services and climate change, while the Conservatives are almost the inverse.
    Kathleen07
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 7,173 The Mix Elder
    I am voting
    Just voted and just wondering if anyone knows why we vote in pencil and not pen?
    “If we could look into each other’s hearts and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care” Marvin J. Ashton
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 7,173 The Mix Elder
    “If we could look into each other’s hearts and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care” Marvin J. Ashton
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