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Rehabilitation of sex offenders

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Rehabilitation do you think it works?

How can we know someone has been rehabilitated just because a few members on a panel see a different person from when they were first convicted. How do we know that some people are not just good actors and know what to say and when to say it?
How come we have so many repeat offenders when they have been so called rehabilitated?

What do you think should happen if someone who has been convicted of a sex offence and then been released only to do the same again?

Can we be sure that a sex offender is ever truly rehabilitated, can we be sure that they will not just go out and do the same thing again? Can someone who sits on a board actually put their hand on heart and say "This person is reformed" and feel safe in that they have released someone early and be 100% sure they arent going to do the same thing again?

I feel that sex offenders are one of the few people who cant be reformed fully. I feel that its control and power that they love and it will always be with them, regardless of whatever treatment or help they receive. I feel that too much money is wasted on these type of convicts and that when they are sentenced they should serve a full sentence and not get released early for good behaviour etc.

What are your views?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You seem to mistake "sex offenders" with rapists, and whilst rapists are sex offenders not all sex offenders are rapists. There was a case last year of a 13-year-old boy downloading pornographic images of 13 and 14 year old girls- not violent images, but pornographic images. It is ridiculous to say that people like that cannot be reformed, as it is highly likely he just wanted to see pictures of girls like the ones he fancied at school.

    As with anything, the nature of the crime determines how the offender will rehabilitate, if at all. Someone like Fred West would probably have never stopped offending, but a man who drunkenly doesnt pull out of a girl who withdraws consent during sex probably would.

    But regardless, all people deserve a second chance, in my book. Perhaps some shouldnt be given much freedom, but on a first offence it is silly to keep them locked up for life. Though obviously repeat offenders should get a long long stretch of porridge, and thatsd repeat offenders of any crime.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    You seem to mistake "sex offenders" with rapists, and whilst rapists are sex offenders not all sex offenders are rapists.

    Sorry I dont mistake sex offenders I purely used the wrong words. I should have said rapists but didnt :rolleyes: I think you knew what I meant.

    So why do we have people who are so called *reformed* and go out to again offend ? Im talking sexual nature, not your petty thief here. Someone has obviously said they are *reformed* and let them out early then they go and do the same again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A lot dont. Its the minority who do re-offend that skews your viewpoint, because the media arent exactly gonna run a headline that says "Rapist freed, doesnt offend again for rest of life" are they?

    Generally its imp[ossible to tell on a first offence, unless the man uses horrific violence or some such thing, and those that do re-offend should be punished severely but the majority of sex offenders actually do not re-offend. After all, by throwing the book at everyone without giving them the chance, you are being as bigoted as saying all car drivers should be jailed for six years because some of them run over children and dont stop.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bringing forward what I was saying in the other rapist thread, not all rapes are the same and not all rapists are the same.

    I agree with you that it is difficult to asset whether someone is truly rehabilitated. Nevertheless someone must have a go at it. It should be made much harder for repeat offenders to leave early, and parole should only be granted only if the parole board is totally convinced the man is no longer a danger to society. There have been too many cases of rapist committing further offences while on a weekend break from prison, and that simply shouldn't happen.

    But on the other hand there are some people out there who committed one terrible act and are genuinely remorseful for it, and pose no further danger to anyone. Those people should be released when their sentenced is served and if the parole board is satisfied they pose no danger.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin

    But on the other hand there are some people out there who committed one terrible act and are genuinely remorseful for it, and pose no further danger to anyone. Those people should be released when their sentenced is served and if the parole board is satisfied they pose no danger.

    I agree with you that people have committed terrible acts and are genuinely remorseful, the only thing I disagree with is parole should not be dished out so easily or getting out early for good behaviour. When they are sentenced to whatever length of time they should serve that whole sentence.
    Why do we give parole? what is the reason? we might as well just give a two year sentence as opposed to a 4 year and get out after two or whatever length of time someone gets off for good behaviour etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Parole was designed to allow prisoners time to re-acclimatise to the outside world after a stint of porridge whilst the prison can keep an eye on them. If someone re-offends on parole hes straight back in the nick, and his second sentence is longer.

    But it *has* gone too far the other way, like that guy who was shot by Tony Martin getting out after 5 months of an 18 month sentence for dealing heroin.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Personaly I think rape and many other sex crimes should be treated as a mental health issue not a criminal one, well after the trial anyway.

    If they were treated as dangerous mental health inmates then they could be treated and then released when the secure hospital felt that they were ready.
    However this would be seen by the tabliods as 'going soft' and wont happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But, bongbudda, if people could get it into tehir thick heads that judges should judge and politicians should spout gobshite about things they know nothing about then this country would be much better.

    Judges should not be poluitical appointments, otehrwise you end up with the stupid situation of Bush stealing an election.
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