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What are you thoughts on...? [content warning]

AidanAidan Clever idiotPosts: 2,656 Boards Champion
edited May 2019 in Politics & Debate
What are your thoughts on...

My opinion is that euthanasia should be legal (it currently comes with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment), and more than that, medical professionals should be allowed to practise euthanasia. I think it's important to allow someone a right to end their life painlessly and with dignity, with as little anxiety as possible, particularly for:
  • People with long-term disabilities
  • People with long-term mental illness
  • Those in severe pain
  • The elderly

... when they feel they still want to end their life, after already receiving the medical treatment that would be appropriate for their circumstances. And, also unconditionally for:
  • People with terminal illness
What are your thoughts and would you support a change in the law to allow euthanasia under certain circumstances?

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Thank you everyone, have a nice week!

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  • ShaunieShaunie I’m alive but I’m dead England 🏠Posts: 11,282 An Original Mixlorian
    I agree with that. I think euthanisia should be legal in this country. In certain physical health conditions. but i do know in some countries. They have allowed euthanasia for mental health conditions which i dont agree with
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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    edited May 2019
    You're right @Shaunie , I think Belgium and the Netherlands do.

    It seems like when it happens in the Netherlands it's because no treatment for the mental illness has worked.

    "At the End of Life Clinic in The Hague more than half of those who come seeking euthanasia on psychiatric grounds are turned away because they have not tried all available treatments."

    From a BBC article about a Dutch woman who sought euthanasia after exhausting every treatment here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45117163

    I think it's encouraged to seek all help that is available and it really is a last resort.

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  • ClaraOswaldClaraOswald TardisPosts: 144 Helping Hand
    I think it should be Legal however you would need to apply and only in medical circumstances, people should be allowed the freedom to end their life on their own. I think it would also make someone happier, they are in controll, not the medication ❤️
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  • LaineLaine Llama Mama Gone for GooPosts: 2,417 Boards Champion
    There's a campaign called "Dignity in dying" if you wish to follow it and maybe get involved,  
    At the moment people are taking their elderly loved ones to Switzerland which is a lovely option but I do agree we need more. 

    I don't agree with the mental health terms, maybe if they've tried absolutely everything,  have serious debilitating conditions and are thoroughly assessed, it might be considerable.

    I definitely think when the meds aren't working,  when they're tired,  and in pain, those near the end should have the right to,  I know it's not the greatest comparison but we do it for dogs and cats?  X

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  • Millie2787Millie2787 🐶 💜 Posts: 3,620 Community Veteran
    I think I’m terms is someone’s mental health condition or physical disability means that they have no quality of life then it certainly is a consideration to take .

    For me giving them that option if they have a long term condition such as cancer which in end of life can be horrible 

    I saw both my nana during end of life of cancer and it’s horrible for one of my nana they spent weeks unconscious, not communicating and it shouldn’t have to be like that , that shouldn’t be the memories she had and she was in pain before it happen , she had Pancreatic cancer and it spread everywhere she was in constant pain and as a 10 year old that was always so difficult to see.

    For my other nana we were there the day the hospital withdrew all treatment and let nature take its call as if so to speak. On her final day she would stop breathing for a few seconds and then gasp and start again and she shouldn’t of been allowed to get to that state her last memories should be of us happy not saying “ it’s ok Nanna / mum/grandma you can go now , you don’t need to carry on fighting 

    For both of them they were on morphine drivers and IV paracetamol to try and manage there pain though Weill never know if that helped becuase they were non verbal and almost like asleep in there final days . So even when it’s time to let them slip away there still pumped full on drugs and it shouldn’t happen ! 
    (^^ Talks about what both my Nanas were at end of life ) 
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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    edited May 2019
    Hey everyone,

    Thank you all for you insights and opinions, and @Millie2787 I'm so sorry to hear about that

    My Auntie died of cancer too, for the last few months of her life she was weak and bed bound, in constant agony, and it put her husband through so much anguish that he hasn't recovered years later and still talks and acts like she's still alive, writing her name in cards and 'going to see her' at the cemetery. The medication she was given helped the pain a little, but it was senseless prolonging her life just for her to suffer. Her slow painful death haunts him, and it was awful to see someone you love in such a state, she shouldn't have had to have gone through that.

    I've started a petition on parliament's petition website, I don't know if it'll go far but it's the right thing to do. I'm just gathering initial support to get it published, and I've PM'd The Mix asking if I can share a link to it here once it's published.

    Take care everyone
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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    edited May 2019
    Hey everyone,

    I've got permission to post a link to my petition on the boards, once it's published. It's currently unpublished, pending a review to ensure it meets petition standards, which should take about a week.

    When it's published, the goal is to reach 10,000 signatures, in which case the government is obligated to respond.

    Have a great weekend!
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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,165 Skive's The Limit
    The argument isn't about self determination and the right to end your own life, (suicide is not illegal), it's about the right for someone else to kill you (if you wish them to). At this very moment, killing another human being deliberately is murder, it isn't suicide. "Assisted Suicide" is just a nice way of saying "Killing Someone". 

    There are very good arguments for why this should be legal however there remain some concerns.

    I have no doubt that if such a law was accepted, pressure would be put on those not wishing to end their own lives to do so. The "you're being selfish" argument.

    It might be quite easy to find a doctor willing to kill people, but I hope it isn't quite as easy as it sounds. Whilst there will be doctors who don't believe in God, it will still be difficult to shake that niggling feeling that once you've "euthanised" the patient you'll be damning your soul to an eternity in hell.
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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    I have no doubt that if such a law was accepted, pressure would be put on those not wishing to end their own lives to do so. The "you're being selfish" argument.

    I accept this could be a possibility as well, people are currently being pressured into living through inescapable suffering because 'suicide is selfish' so it's reasonable to expect an opposite reaction if the status quo were flipped. I don't see it a reason to not legalise euthanasia, but it's definitely a reason that euthanasia needs to be carefully managed and considered.

    The argument isn't about self determination and the right to end your own life

    Not necessarily, depending of course on the method of suicide it's unlikely to be as likely to end a life, be painless, or be as 'neat' as forms of euthanasia. Going through a painful or botched death is a real fear.

    Thank you for your insight, it's a topic with overwhelming support so the perspective of the ways it could have negatives are refreshing.

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  • AzzimanAzziman The Mix convert Posts: 829 Part of The Mix Family
    There's a serious question we have to address about the role of inheritance in this. In several cases, families have encouraged terminally ill relatives to end their life (legally or illegally) prematurely so that they can inherit their wealth. In some of these cases, those family members will start spending with the inheritance in mind. Some people are very opposed to the morality of a terminally ill patient deciding to end their life prematurely due to financial reasons and pressures. I haven't seen any solution to this anywhere, though, and it's something that we really need to consider.
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 2,656 Boards Champion
    edited May 2019
    Hey everyone,

    I've gotten a reply (quite quickly) from my MP on the matter.

    They fully support assisted dying for the terminally ill and permanently debilitated given appropriate safeguards, and in fact voted in favour of the bill for assisted dying in September 2015.

    Whilst they state that petitions are not an effective way to change legislation, they would vote again for a bill legalising assisted dying and euthanasia.

    My petition is still under review.

    Thanks again @Azziman and @Skive for your input as it's very important to remember not every aspect is necessarily positive, whilst the notion might be positive overall, and proper safeguards would be required.
    "Do, or do not, there is no try" <(•.•)>              
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