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Flat earth?

ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
edited December 3 in Politics & Debate
Nope i am not a flat earther🙃just open minded

Know the flat earth debate annoys people. Ha. But id say i am pretty open to the fact the earth could be flat. Cant be 100% sure that the earth is round and some research to say it may not be and that we are only told it by nasa that it is round and made to think it is. As they “lost” the footage of the first person goin on the moon. And footage of someone on the moon looks fake. I mean how can you lose something that important. 

https://youtu.be/3lBpuBqxDVA
I watched PointlessBlog’s post. (An hour long) and was interesting that A sciencist called Auguste Piccard  as the first person to go quite high up and said the earth looked flat with curved up edges. I dont get why the first person to go that high would say that.


i guess not that important but it is interesting. What do others think about it?
There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
Aidan

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  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
    Hah

      
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • SkiveSkive No discipline! No morality! No respect! New ForestPosts: 14,846 Part of the furniture
    Perhaps it sits on four elephants stood on a giant turtle hurtling through space?
    The earth is 100% not flat. Enough of this anti-intellectualism. 

    While we're here; chemtrails are not a thing, vaccines do not cause autism, reiki is a load of bollocks, as is homeopathy.
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
    Skive said:
    Perhaps it sits on four elephants stood on a giant turtle hurtling through space?
    The earth is 100% not flat. Enough of this anti-intellectualism. 

    While we're here; chemtrails are not a thing, vaccines do not cause autism, reiki is a load of bollocks, as is homeopathy.
    Ha. Well. Unless youre scientist and been up space and seen it all - then its not 100%. I definetly havent so i cant say 100% sure. But this question is being asked a lot because there is clearly some evidence that we cant be completly sure. 
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • SkiveSkive No discipline! No morality! No respect! New ForestPosts: 14,846 Part of the furniture
    What 'evidence'?
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    edited December 4
    If objects didn't dissappear over the horizon as they get further away, if you couldn't have a flight all the way around the world, if all the other celestial bodies weren't observably spherical, if the earth didn't have day on one side and night on another, if some parts of the earth weren't different distances from the sun resulting in seasons- then you could say the earth was flat.

    Seeing as the moon is tidally locked to the earth (tidal forces mean the same side of the moon always faces the earth) it'd make more sense suggesting the moon is flat.

    The first photo of earth from space was taken on March 7 in 1947, long before NASA or things such as photoshop. It was taken from an altitude of just over 100 miles, and although it's not great quality (it was 1947) it shows the curvature of the earth.

    I'll be honest it looks pretty straight but if you make a tangent with a ruler or something you can see that it's curved.


    Shaunie
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
    edited December 4
    Aidan said:
    If objects didn't dissappear over the horizon as they get further away, if you couldn't have a flight all the way around the world, if all the other celestial bodies weren't observably spherical, if the earth didn't have day on one side and night on another, if some parts of the earth weren't different distances from the sun resulting in seasons- then you could say the earth was flat.

    Seeing as the moon is tidally locked to the earth (tidal forces mean the same side of the moon always faces the earth) it'd make more sense suggesting the moon is flat.

    The first photo of earth from space was taken on March 7 in 1947, long before NASA or things such as photoshop. It was taken from an altitude of just over 100 miles, and although it's not great quality (it was 1947) it shows the curvature of the earth.

    I'll be honest it looks pretty straight but if you make a tangent with a ruler or something you can see that it's curved.


    These things that go completely against this. to prove it could be flat

    https://www.iflscience.com/environment/seven-things-that-prove-the-earth-is-flat-according-to-flatearthers/

    No plane as actually ever gone right through antartica - possible because is nothing
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    Commercial aircraft are banned from flying over Tibet- it's not because Tibet doesn't exist, it's because the mountainous terrain is dangerous, same with Antarctica. Air New Zealand Flight 901 crashed into a mountain in Antarctica because of difficulties with navigation and visibility Antarctica brings.



    Also, dependant on the amount of engines an aircraft has, it is only permitted to be so far from a suitable airfield to land at in case of an emergency. Antarctica has no airfields an unspecialised aircraft could safely land at during an emergency, repair, refuel, give medical assistance to passengers etc. and take off again.
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
    Ah. Yeah probably right.

    But i still think no matter what you say. That think proves it. You cant even be 100% sure it is round. 

    You are only told what you know. - and show and even the scientific stuff. And apprrently we could be told a load of lies. I mean until you have seen if all for yourself then yeah
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    edited December 4
    In my time as a student pilot, I've seen how increasing altitude sees an increase in visibility range, and an increase in radio range- that wouldn't occur if the earth was flat as there'd be no horizon obscuring the rest of the earth from direct line of sight.

    To me that's proof the earth isn't flat, and proof I've personally experienced myself.

    This might be a better example as it's something everyone can do more easily.

    Ever gone to the seaside and watched ships sail off into the distance? They disappear over the horizon. You can even see ships coming back over the horizon, you see the top of their masts first before you see the rest of the ship.

    To me, the horizon is proof we live on a big sphere.
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    In case that isn't a great explanation I found an image detailing the distances of certain ships from the photographer, that visibly shows the effect of the horizon.




  • SkiveSkive No discipline! No morality! No respect! New ForestPosts: 14,846 Part of the furniture
    Shaunie said:
    You are only told what you know. - and show and even the scientific stuff. And apprrently we could be told a load of lies. I mean until you have seen if all for yourself then yeah

    Anti-intellectualism is defined as hostility and mistrust of intellect and intellectuals and is commonly expressed as deprecation of education, science and philosophy.

    You seem very quick to be able to dismiss evidence fro established geologists, physicists and astronomers and 1st hand experience of astronauts. Yet are quite happy to link to arguments put forward by the rapper B.o.B?

    Anti-intellectualism is not cool. It's stupid.
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
    edited December 4
    Every thing that you think is proof has something that could say it means something else. Angles& lightening and what not. 

    Think is pretty close minded to only believe one thing. I am not even saying i believe the world is flat. The world could be round or flat. I have no idea what the world looks like. I am not dismissing evidence. - I am just saying that there are other ways to look at things that youre ignoring 🙃

    I dont think i am stupid. I am just questioning things. Not dismissing it
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    edited December 4
    I think it's great to be open minded- in fact science is all about taking into account evidence from different sources, seeing if you can get repeated results from different sources, and also debunking and discrediting evidence from unverifiable and unreliable sources.

    Through this process, it has been almost universally accepted since somewhere between as early as 600 BC and up til the middle ages that the earth is spherical, a theory first practically proven in 1522 following the the Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation, the first single voyage around the earth.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline! No morality! No respect! New ForestPosts: 14,846 Part of the furniture
    Shaunie said:
    Every thing that you think is proof has something that could say it means something else. Angles& lightening and what not. 

    I just think its pretty close minded to only believe one thing. I am not even saying i believe the world is flat. The world could be round or flat. I have no idea what the world looks like. I am not dismissing evidence. - I am just saying that there are other ways to look at things that youre ignoring 🙃

    I dont think i am stupid. I am just questioning things. Not dismissing it

    Angels and lightening? 

    I'm not close minded. I believe in science. Science adjust it's views all the time based on what is observed. So far there is no evidence that has been observed to prove the assertion that the world is flat.

    I'm not calling you stupid. I'm staying the denial of science is stupid.


    Aidan
  • BubblesGoesBooBubblesGoesBoo Sunny ScotlandPosts: 1,877 Postholic
    I believe the earth is flat cause it takes half hour longer to travel the same distance on the boat north than it does to travel south, the only reason I can think of for that is its cause the boat is going uphill on the globe haha :wink:
    ' So I put a bullet where I shouda put a helmet, and I crash my car cause I wanna get carried away, that's why I'm standing on the overpass screaming at myself 'hey, I wanna get better''  
    Aidan
  • LaineLaine Horse hugger Posts: 861 Incredible Poster
    I for one am rubbish at debates but I personally believe the earth is round. 
    I can tell when I look across the horizon and see NASA's Vids and such(off topic but love their live streams!  💕)
    😂

    🌈Positive thoughts🌈 


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    All I do is sit and think about you If I choose then I lose.
    Distract my brain from the terrible news
    It's not living if it's not with you" ~ The 1975

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  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    Laine said:
    I for one am rubbish at debates but I personally believe the earth is round. 
    I can tell when I look across the horizon and see NASA's Vids and such(off topic but love their live streams!  💕)
    😂

    Love their streams from the ISS, really relaxing apart from when they're on the dark side :joy:
    Laine
  • ShaunieShaunie England 🏠Posts: 2,546 Mega Poster
      
    There is some comfort in what we know. Even if that is deep in depression. I think i now more understand the quote of -life starts outside of your comfort zone. 
  • AidanAidan Clever idiot Posts: 851 Incredible Poster
    edited December 6
    In this model of the flat earth you show, there would only be a day side as there is nothing (because the world is flat here) to obstruct sunlight and cause the night side.

    The sun only appears to change in size because of the refraction of light by the curved atmosphere as it gets closer to the horizon (or as you get closer to the terminator (cool name ikr?)- the line between night and day) and the angle of refraction increases. This is also why the colour appears to change as the wavelength of the light changes.

    Refraction is basically the bending of light- an example would be looking through the surface of water or thick glass and things look like they're somewhere but actually they're somewhere else- because the speed of the light changes as it passes through a different substance or a different density rather and it's bent to go a different direction and or to be a different colour.

    This here is how the length of the day changes at the poles (because of the tilt of earth's axis of rotation relative to the orbit of the sun)- depending on the season:Image result for seasons explained
  • SkiveSkive No discipline! No morality! No respect! New ForestPosts: 14,846 Part of the furniture
    Shaunie said:
      

    Sorry but that is absurd. Both the sun and the moon appear to change size depending on where they are in the sky due to refraction in the earths atmosphere. It's a well understood phenomenon.
    And I don't understand the point about the days being shorter.

    This isn't evidence of a flat earth. This is a crazy theory for which there is no evidence, and to believe it you have to dismiss hundreds of years of observations from scientists and academics - in other words science.

    You don't want to trust science? Get yourself half decent telescope and you can observe the moon orbiting the earth, the other planets orbiting the sun. You can observe for yourself that every other planetary is a spherical.

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