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Yet there's the whole children with them accidentally killing themselves issue.
An armed population is no deterrent. You will only force robbers, muggers and burglars to equip themselves with a mini-arsenal.
The whole thing is a bit like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
So? That's the parents fault.
Everyone apart than monocrat, that is.
Nevermind, he'll have to live with it.
The fact is can harm someone is wholly relevant according to your own logic. You state frequently that you believe that a person should do what they like unless it infringes the rights of others - well you admit yourself a gun harms someone else thus infringing their rights so it shouldn't be allowed.
That's because the Canadians don't use their guns to defend themselves, Canadians own guns for hunting purposes and are mainly locked in cupboards most of the time. If you want to see a country where people are allowed guns for the reason of defending themselves you need to look to Canada's southern neighbour...
The ownership of a gun does not infringe on anyone's rights. There's a difference between being harmed (which everyone here says is wrong) and a person having their rights infringed.
Seeing people in goth clothing harms and offends me but it doesn't infringe on my rights.
People in the US hunt too.
In New York? Los Angeles? These are the places where most gun crime takes place - last time I heard they weren't heards of antelope going down Wall Street or buffalo grazing in Beverly Hills. In America the main reason for owning a gun is for self-defence (be it property or personal) and you see the results in their huge gun crime statistics.
Not in all cases. A burglar violates one's right to property. If you violate the rights of others you should get punished.
:rolleyes: More fear again......
I'm sorry if the truth frightens you Mono.... welcome to the real world.
I do. I don't need that pointed out to me.
No, I'm saying YOU are scared. The reason why people oppose gun ownership is because they fear being shot!!
Yes, silly me for being scared at the thought of everyone in the country including nutcases like you being armed. How silly of people opposing gun ownership on silly technicalities such as the risk to life obviously the property rights of someone's video player are far more important eh Mono? :rolleyes:
make me laugh with all this make believe that has somehow become a human rights bleedin' issue.
we'll be teaching burglars how to be polite when on the job ...you mark my words, on billboards near you soon;
if you must rob ...be polite. remember ...these people are your victim ...be kind to your victims and we will be kind to you ... gordon bennet what the fuck is happening to my world!!!!!!!!
mp's and the goverment are fucking it up thats what
To be honest I think if everyone who went on the march in London against the war had writen to their MP about the issue it may well have made more impact.
The government wont listen unless you vote!
The burglar first infringed one's rights!!! So he received a punishment for doing so. The moral is simple; don't violate others property. :cool:
Anyone who believes it's okay to murder a burglar and acts upon that thought will rot in jail, just like Martin has (albeit not nearly long enough for a murderer).
what happened to punishment and retribution then?
the fact that robbers have rights seems fucking ludicrous to robbers! there will be an official job description and union for burglars the way were going. when a burglar falls off your roof and breaks his leg he''ll not only claim on your house insurance but also get a sick note off the doc entitling him to claim benefit until he can get back to ...'work'.
ok ...who's for drawing up a criminals work and benefits paper for the government to look at? what are a burglars pension entitlements? etc etc.
some of you people may be inteligent in some ways but when it comes to ordering 'reality' ...you make me laugh! ...and a lot of other villains.
So two wrongs make a right then? So you would value a video recorder above the human life of the burglar?
MR I agree with you that the judges are too soft on criminals and that liberal Guardian readers have had too much of a say on our justice system. However, that doesn't mean that I want everyone armed which would increase the likelihood of burglars being armed with a gun. That would just be going from one extreme to another.
he'd have had a shock if i'd been staying over the night as i would have completely lost it seeing cowardly scum like that punching my granny. i would probably have disabled him for life ...
you lot stick up for shite like this!
and i don't think many of us want a gun or want to kill ...but this guy could well have died at my hands ...i'd expect you all to back me and my gran ...not lock me up for being a murderer.
But you would be called all the bad bastards for that, wouldnt you :rolleyes:
Yes.
Yeah ok then
We have a soft prison system where criminals can get away with whatever they want. Oh yeah, and few police to even catch you in the first place.
We have a soft benefit system where anyone can easily cheat money out of the system.
We have poor immigrants that can't speak English flooding into the country and skilled rich Brits emmigrating out.
We have an education system that is failing most of our children.
We have a mockery of an NHS where superbugs are thriving and waiting lists are far too long.
And what do you get if you keep on the straight and narrow and put up with all of this?
Taxes! Lots and lots of taxes!
Council tax, recently increased national insurance, 17.5% VAT on everything you buy, income tax, the huge amounts of extra tax on petrol and cigarettes. You even get half of your belongings taken away from you as tax when you die!
Wow, in a society like this, I wonder why I don't feel very patriotic.
Rant over.
If you dont like the tax system or government here, either move or talk to you MP and do something about it!
Off Topic:
a) We actually look for these bugs now, and have systematic checks in place. eg Every patient having an Orthopaedic operation is checked. This never used to happen and the simple rule is if you start looking harder you will find more.
It's not that these bugs a thriving, it's more that we now know that they are there and probably always have been.
Oh, and they are very hard to treat, so I wouldn't blame the NHS for not being able to prevent them completely. After all we still haven't found a cure for death yet and we don't blame the NHS for all of those. DO we?
b) Waiting Lists. Yes I agree, they are too long. They are only half as long as they were in 1996 though.
Best not to take what the tabloid print on face value.
On topic:
Vigilantism is not the answer, and shouldn't be seen as the answer. Once we do that we accept that violence is the solution and that it's okay to inflict bodily harm. We also accept that we cannot police society and that would be a mistake too. It would be a slippery slope towards total anarchy.
I agree that if faced with an intruder I would resort to violence if necessary to protect my family, but the bigger can have my TV and Video. They are materiel things and can be replaced.
Oh, and I would expect to be charged. I wouldn't expect to get off scot-free.
Is your name Rebekah Wade by any chance?