Camp X-ray=right or wrong?

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As for the US reporter in Pakistan, I have no doubt that he is being mistreated (hell, his detention is proof of that) and I guess that it proves the point I am making. We are rightly offended by this action, and because we don't do the same we see it as unnacceptable.

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Originally posted by Man Of Kent:

The prisoners were taken from Afghanistan, blindfolded, were given ear defenders and were manacled hand and foot. They were then flown half way around the world and put in cages, outside. On arrival they were shaved (thus insulting their religion) and sprayed with 'disinfectant'.

Some of that I can understand, though sensory deprivation is considered torture, and is usually followed by interrogation



Sorry, but can someone tell me the difference.

The next thing is that we talk about them as the Al Qaeda prisoners, except there is one person the US captured who isn't there - John Walker Lindh - the American. Funny that, does he get a different sort of justice?

That said, the US can keep the Tipton Terrorists they have there (for our US members, the three UK citizens you have are from a place called Tipton)

Have you all forgotten the very basis of justice in the US/UK. Innocent until proven guilty. To date not a single prisoner has appeared in a court of law, and as such should be treated with the UTMOST respect. Cuff them yes, but caged outside regardless of weather conditions, blinfolded (at times)?


I beleive theyre working to improve conditions at Gitmo else they wouldnt have halted the flights.
After that though theyve been treated very well - keep in mind these people have expressed openly theyd kill their captors - Our personnel are merely taking safeguards against a possible attack by shackling them up. Its not really sensory dep at all - theyre trying to confuse them, yes so that in the event of an escape, they cant rely on memory of what they saw out of the plane when they try to get off the island - increasing their chances of running into an armed Marine in the attempt.

Shaving and delousing is neccessary when dealing with a large prison population - prevents disease and sickness. This is no different than what goes on when an AMerican prisoner is processed - common sense really and not an attempt to insult their religion.

Lindh - Im disappointed there. He should have been tried as one of them and summarily executed or have had his citizenship permanently revoked.

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AP Wire: Taliban Prisoners Want to Go to Cuba
Taliban Prisoners Want to Go to Cuba
By BRIAN MURPHY

SHIBERGAN, Afghanistan (AP) - Jailed fighters of the fallen Taliban shout the name of their former foe, but no longer in anger. ``We want to go to an American prison,'' many plead.

Anything, they say, to leave Shibergan prison in northern Afghanistan, now jammed to more than 10 times its capacity with about 3,500 men. But unlike the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, this has been a prison largely out of the spotlight.

``I can't lie and say it's fine. The problems are clearly visible,'' said the head warden, Gen. Jurabeg, who uses only one name. ``We are struggling.''

While human rights advocates and some U.S. allies have complained about the conditions at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo, Cuba, the situation in Shibergan is much more dire.

In addition to overcrowding, prisoners have to deal with shortages of medical supplies and care, water, food and there is little to protect them from the elements. Facing bitter cold outside and inside, they have just the clothes they were wearing when they were captured. Many don't have shoes.

The mud-walled compound provides a lesson of sorts: with local militiamen in charge in much of Afghanistan, there's an ad hoc approach toward rank-and-file Taliban prisoners.

``From region to region, there are different ways Afghan authorities are dealing with Taliban prisoners,'' said Samuel Emonet, who heads the Red Cross team inspecting detention facilities in the region. ``Shibergan stands out because of its size and the uncertainty of what will happen to the prisoners.''

The prison about 75 miles west of Mazar-e-Sharif is controlled by the forces of Gen. Rashid Dostum, an ethnic Uzbek who rules much of northern Afghanistan. He and other militia leaders are under international pressure to help build a credible central authority in Kabul.

But Dostum still apparently answers to no one about many aspects of his fiefdom.

Prison doctors have begged for medicine from Dostum's military hospital in Shibergan. Only a few boxes of antibiotics and rehydration salts have been sent to Shibergan, one of the largest detention camps in the country.

An official at the hospital, speaking on condition of anonymity, said supplies are critically low and there is little money to buy more. ``The Taliban prisoners are not a priority,'' he said.

Nearly a third of the prisoners at Shibergan are suffering from chronic dysentery and other gastric problems, doctors said.

``We have no medicine. It couldn't be worse,'' said Dr. Abdul Bashir, one of four prison physicians. ``No, let me correct that. I will get worse when the weather gets warmer. We could be seeing things as bad as cholera.''

Under its mandate as a neutral watchdog of prison conditions, the Red Cross cannot provide a steady supply of food or medicine - and both are short. It does arrange daily deliveries of 5,200 gallons of water, well below what's needed, doctors say.

``This is not a crisis?'' asked Bashir. ``We just can't take care of the prisoners.''

The worst cases - mostly bronchitis and tuberculosis - are sent to the military hospital. Others are placed on feces-stained beds or on straw mats in the prison clinic. One inmate carried another who had blacked out from high blood pressure. He was put on the floor, but there was no way to treat him.

Many prisoners see their former enemy as a possible savior.

``The United States should help us. How can the world ignore us?'' pleaded Maqsoud Khan, 26, who is among about 1,100 Pakistani prisoners in Shibergan.

Khan wrapped himself in a blue blanket donated by the Red Cross. But it offered little warmth against a bitter cold wind, which froze the puddles and hardened the mud in the prison yard. There are no prison uniforms - only the clothes the men wore when they were captured as U.S.-backed forces retook northern Afghanistan in November.

The fortunate ones have black plastic slippers supplied by the Red Cross. Others are barefoot.

After an hour in the prison yard, the prisoners are herded back to their quarters: bare six-by-nine foot rooms where up to 60 men try to sleep on icy cold concrete floors. Latrines empty into fetid swamps.

There were no claims of torture or specific abuse. The prisoners spoke, however, of another type of agony: uncertainty about the future...
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Many prisoners see their former enemy as a possible savior.

``The United States should help us. How can the world ignore us?'' pleaded Maqsoud Khan, 26, who is among about 1,100 Pakistani prisoners in Shibergan.

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Wasn't one of the guards bitten by one of these prisoners at camp X-ray last week?

Behave like an animal, be treated like one, thats what I say.

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The prisoners have started wanking in front of the female guards at the camp and for some bizarre reason, started squeezing toothpaste up their arses.

I dont think its the US treatment that is making these people look like animals.

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ROTFLMAO...! No pun intended!

peace, peace, peace, peace...be upon you! Or is it; islam, islam, islam, islam...be upon you?

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