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Roy Whiting - It should never have happened!
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With that sick perv being jailed for life yesterday, do you think parents should be able to know if there are convicted paedophiles ataying in the area?
I tend to say "yes". We may all think bad things from time to time but we never actually carry them out - we use self-control. Active paedophiles do not try and control their feelings and are therefore a danger to the public. Whiting had committed sex acts before and was still allowed out of prison.
I also think that ANY sex offender (e.g. paedophile, rapists, etc) should get life behind bars because they ruin their victims lives forever! <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0">
I tend to say "yes". We may all think bad things from time to time but we never actually carry them out - we use self-control. Active paedophiles do not try and control their feelings and are therefore a danger to the public. Whiting had committed sex acts before and was still allowed out of prison.
I also think that ANY sex offender (e.g. paedophile, rapists, etc) should get life behind bars because they ruin their victims lives forever! <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0">
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(I wonder how many sex offenders would be released if those that authorise the release where liable for imprisonment if the offender does re offend)
anyone know the stats for % that re offend ?
How about castration ?
peacechild
peace"nail em up I say"child
I don't think Castration is any use as a child abuser will use any means to satisfy himself and doesn't need a penis to do so - plus there are female sex offenders.
It's a hard question. People can act as if they are rehabilitated but actually just be very cunning manipulators of the system.
Perhaps Life should mean Life?
Look at what Hindley and Brady get. It's not right that they get such good treatment.
peacechild
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I didn't know that that man had been found guilty but I am glad, at least Sarah Paynes parents can get some closure on that.If people were told where peodophiles live you would just get problems with vigilantes like they had in (I think) Portsmouth (somewhere round there anyway). I think they should send them all to live on an island in the outer Hebrides or something. But then you have the problem of people who haven't actually committed any crime but they have the tendency to.
Tricky subject. I hate to imagine what it must be like for parents, having to look out for their kids.
I do believe in rehabilitation but then there are some crimes that are so vile do those people deserve the chance?
It's a hard one. Some people do vile things because vile things were done to them, or because they were treated in a particular way. Is there an argument to say that some people are just Plain Evil?
I probably shouldn't get into the Moors Murders thing because I have quite set ideas about who bears more responsibility but could it be said that Brady was Born Evil and Hindley was made Evil?
Just opening up the argument..... <IMG alt="image" SRC="confused.gif" border="0">
Of course, they shouldnt be allowed out in the first place. You commit a sexual crime against a child then you should be removed from society forever. They should be locked away for the rest of their natural lives. The rate of rehabilitation for paedophiles is tiny..Most of them actually admit that they are likely to reoffend and they are still let out these days..
How can you rehabilitate someones sexuality? You cant turn a straight man gay or a gay man straight. You also cant change someone who is attracted to children. All you can do is make sure they have no access to children which means jail.
Those liberal fucks, the doctors and the like who say these people are rehabilitated make me sick..They are taking chances with the lives of other peoples children..Sorry but children are the single most important thing in someones life, they should be protected at all costs.
If you do anything sexual to a child then you forfeit all your rights. They should be chucked in the shittiest jail in the country and left to rot for the rest of their lives.
PS, I only say prison because I think of life in a real prison as worse than a death sentance. Death is too easy for people like this, they need to suffer. We should have proper prisons for these people. Something from the 18th century or something.
For a start it would stop that abuser from abusing someone else, which would stop that person from abusing and so on, at least that cycle would have been stopped.
peacechild
You bung the person in jail and the cycle stops. Its that simple. There will be no victims from the jailed person and therefore there will be no future abusers.
If we throw every abuser in prison then there will be much fewer abused and therefore much fewer future abusers.
Sure these people may have had a bad childhood and may have been abused themselves but are you willing to let them abuse children themselves just because you dont want to hurt their feelings or have the guts to put these people in prison?
It may be cruel in the short term but in the long run it will save tens of thousands of kids from being raped.
If Whiting had been jailed forever when he kidnapped and sexually assaulted his previous victim then he would never have been able to kill Sarah Payne.
He got two fucking years for kidnapping and sexually assaulting another little girl back in 1995..The psychiatrist even said he would probably reoffend again..and yet they STILL let him out....
Its people who spout all this liberal shit about rehabilitation and all that wank who are directly responsible for the murder of Sarah Payne.
The criminal's human rights always seem more important to these liberals than the victim's.
peacechild
He's obviously not thick - he must have known he was doing wrong so deserves to be punnished according to the rules set down. Although I do think that there should be tougher/longer terms for paedophiles.
I have NO sympathy for this kind of creep.
The Bulger murderers were different in a lot of ways to Roy Whiting. Not only were the killers only 10 at the time but the murder wasn't sexually motivated. Throwing away the key on them would have been wrong I think.
Prison should priortise on rehabilitation, not punishment - we as human beings should want to rehabilitise people, on the believe that people can change. As somone already mentioned though, how can you rehabilitate somone sexuality? Peadophiles in my view will be peodophiles for life.
That is a bit harsh. I am in favour of rehabilitation, which does not necessarily mean letting dangerous people out into the society. Just chucking people in jail doesn't solve anything.
When I said about a kid that grows up to be an abuser who has been abused themselves, my point was...
If that is true, then surely in some cases the tendency comes from nurture not nature, therefore we have a responsibility to find out the causes and do research so as to stop the cycle. Putting people in jail in solitary confinement would solve nothing.
Do you think that *any* form of abuse deserves a life sentence, or just "serious" cases? If it was a life sentence for any form of abuse, then there would be no distinction. I don't know whether this is a good thing or not.
Just thinking slightly off the point, what is the definition of a peodophile-ie is someone that rapes a 15/16 year old considered one? It's not something I really want to think about too much, but I suppose yesterdays events have made us all think about it.
Youre right. We have to find out why these people are like this. That research can be done while they are in prison.
It solves the short term problem. That person isnt going to rape and kill a six year old girl. Thats reason enough for me.
Ive thought about this and come to the conclusion that you cant make a blanket statement like that. Each case must be looked at on its own and the punishment made to fit the crime.
A paedophile is just someone who is attracted to children in a sexual manner. If someone rapes a 15/16 yr old then they should go to prison for rape..Im not sure if that would be classed as paedophilia because most 15/16 yr olds these days dont look like children.
Of course if an adult has sex with someone under 16 then it is classed as rape under the law because under 16s are classed as children and therefore cant give their consent to sex..Again you have to look at each case on its own...Its its a 50 year old man having sex with a 13 year old girl then its seriously dodgy and hes going to prison..If its a 17 year old man with a 15 year old girl then its fine..
Some people are peodophiles but never do anything about it and supress it, and they are ashamed of it. Should they be locked up simply because of the possibility that they may do something?
Why does society see peodophiles as the worst thing ever? That may sound really naive and insensitive but I just want people to think about it-is a serial rapist of adult women any "better" than a peodophile who abuses a small child?
In North Wales this week a bloke was given life for raping and killing an 86 year old woman, THE DAY AFTER he was released from prison. Now that is one sick person. I am not saying that any crime or criminal is sicker or "worse" than another, just why is the issue of peodohilia so concentrated on.
I suppose because of the way our society regards children-as precious and to be protected.
Please don't leave replys slagging me off for writing this, I am just raising some issues.
however when you have someone like whiting who is a repeat offender what chance is there for rehabilitation?
I guess the problem is do we risk rehabilitation, release and then repeat offences? How do we know for sure that someone is rehabilitated?
The Mary Bell case shows a lot of things, have any of you read her book? Ok, no-one can say for definite-this woman is "cured" and will never commit another crime again, but it shows the importance of treating criminals as human.
Can you imagine going 50 years and possibly the rest of your life without sex? Being barred from making love with those you are attracted to? I cant...I wouldnt like to think what my state of mind would be if the only way I could have sex with the person im attracted to is to rape them.
The only way a paedophile can be sexually active is to kidnap and rape a child...
Can you guarentee that every paedophile will be able to control his sexual urges for the rest of their lives? If not then we must control it for them.
Because children are the single most vulnerable group of people in our society. They are the weakest, the least mature and the easiest to victimise.. They are the only truly innocent people in our society.
A serial rapist isnt any better then a child rapist, they are both scum and should both be locked up for the rest of their lives. Paedophiles stir up more emotion because children are such an integral part of our lives. Almost all of us have children, nieces, nephews, cousins, brothers, sisters etc.
It might possibly take as little as 30 minutes to abduct and rape a child. Tagging? If they knew they were going back to prison anyway then why would they have any qualms about going after another victim?
Thats the important bit...We can never know. These people have spent years disguising their sexuality and their desires, im sure they can tell a few lies to a social worker to convince them they are 'cured'.
Unless a paedophile can be cured 100% of the time with no possible exceptions then they should stay in prison until they die of old age.
I didn't say my plan was flawless! If there was a clear answer then it would already be in effect!
It's not as if there is a pool of paedophiles out there doing horrid things to children and waiting to get caught. There are new paedophiles born/broughtup (different argument) every day.
I think we should be concentrating our efforts on the care of children in the first place to ensure that paedophiles no longer exist. Whether being (sexually) abused as a child turns you into a paedophile or not, there are things we can do for these unfortunate kids who have violent/neglectful parents.
Prevention is always better than cure.
They are one and the same thing. The paedophiles are both victim and abuser in this situation. To protect kids you have to get rid of Paedophiles..The preventiohn is to protect kids by getting rid of paedophiles who assault them as kids. The cure is to get rid of Paedophiles..
You cant seperate the two.
What kind of society would we create if we were forever following this outdated and inappropriate attitude? This point of view basically rules out any kind of rehabilitation and that is admitting defeat. Not good enough.
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I don't see that. There is a fundamental difference between child rape and rape (and statutory rape for that matter), and they should not be lumped together. I would never dream of defending adult rapists, but I think child rape is a thousand times worse, and there should always be a distinction.
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Err, no. It's neither quick nor painless. Someone mentioned already how miscarrigaes of justice could never be reversed if the sentence was so final as the death penalty. And just look at the shambles in the U.S. - people wait on death row for years whilst the appeals or sorted.
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Then there is the distinction between crimes of passion (in the heat of the moment) and pre-meditated acts (planned in advance). Again, you cannot lump all crimes together like this.
It is wrong to make a distinction because you are saying that if an adult woman gets raped then they don't deserve the same justice as a child would - WHY NOT!
A sex offender is a sex offender whoever he targets. It is absolutely appaling to say a man or woman who is raped should not expect to be treated with equal concern and justice.
By saying this I am not lessening the awfulness of a sex crime against a child, I'm just saying that all sex crimes should be treated equally.
Have to disagree though that we start killing people in the name of justice ! There are too many innocent people conficted throughout the world to make that a reasonable option. <IMG alt="image" SRC="smile.gif" border="0">
The sexual assault or rape of a child is, in most cases, worse than the rape of an adult. Children are the single most vulnerable part of our society.
In the majority of cases of child abuse its a close relative or friend that commits the crime. Children dont know any better, they dont know that what their dad or uncle is wrong so they dont know to try and resist. They also dont know to tell other people what happened. They are also physically much weaker than an adult, even a small woman.
Maybe im in a minority but I class children as more important than adults be they male or female.
Having said that I dont think the punishments should be any different. Rapists and child rapists should both be put down.
No, they should be shot.