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mind the gap
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Dec
Sat. 1st 2001
International Day of Action Against GAP Stores. It is hoped to have people leafleting against exploitation of workers outside every GAP store in the world !
Further information from the "GAP SUCKS" website at http://www.gapsucks.org/
start printing those leaflets! lol
and you may want to check out the
Nov Sun. 18th 2001
National Rally Against the War in Afghanistan.
Organised CND and the Stop the War coalition. Assemble at noon in Hyde Park, London.
Further information from One-to-One cellphone 07951 235915 or from the Stop the War website.
"the yuppies networking the panic, the vomit, the panic, the vomit, god loves his children, god loves his children, yeah"
Sat. 1st 2001
International Day of Action Against GAP Stores. It is hoped to have people leafleting against exploitation of workers outside every GAP store in the world !
Further information from the "GAP SUCKS" website at http://www.gapsucks.org/
start printing those leaflets! lol
and you may want to check out the
Nov Sun. 18th 2001
National Rally Against the War in Afghanistan.
Organised CND and the Stop the War coalition. Assemble at noon in Hyde Park, London.
Further information from One-to-One cellphone 07951 235915 or from the Stop the War website.
"the yuppies networking the panic, the vomit, the panic, the vomit, god loves his children, god loves his children, yeah"
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Ok, I don't mind your fill the GAP stuff. But you will not recieve a warm welcome from us if you try and promote Anti-war. You people cause more harm than good, and postively invite terrorists to prance around like they own the place.
Why don't you go back to U75 and stay there? Instead of letting your pointless pacifist ideals from spilling out over here.
you are living in a hyprocracy as worse as any previous reqime..it's no less worst because your ignorant of it.
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In future you should probably make two different threads. Most people who read your post may well have supported the GAP thing but would have been put off by the anti-war thing. Tell us what we should do if we did stop the war and maybe you will get a little respect and people willing to listen. Until then you join the ranks of people saying what an evil war this is but putting forward zero alternatives.
More and more people are not questioning the coalition..The papers are getting twitchy, thats all.
Us? Ignorant of the facts? which facts? I daresay we know just as much as your enlightened self
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
may i refer you to 'profit over people' a book detailing America's finacial suffication of cuba, leading to deaths in droves (again this isn't fiction)
This is once again a war about power and oil, how can you people be so hypocritical? One american life for thousands of afgan lifes?
They didn't just 'cut down a few redwoods' they seem to openly endorse the abuse of children and adults in sweatshops, the fact i link this humanitarian effort to the 'peace-effort' is just logical.
'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind'-Gandhi
'all we are saying is give peace a chance'-John Lennon
'Love your neighbour'-the bible
'and if nothing else i ask you this; love each other'-the bible
'thou shalt not kill'-the bible
'and if he smite you, turn the check and let him hit you again'-the bible
Im a little confused as to what the hell youre complaing about.
Nobody denies America has done some bad shit in the past but that bad shit doesnt justify the killing of 5000 innocent people completely distinct from those who did the bad shit. Because the British empire killed a load of Boers in the concentration camps does that mean a modern day Boer can kill your entire family in retaliation? You had about as much to do with the Boer war as those in the WTC had to do with US foreign policy.
Bollocks...If this were about oil then why didnt America invade Afghanistan years ago? They could have launched a war against terrorism after the embassy bombings.
Do you actually know what hypocritical means? Please point out just how we are being so.
'If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it' seems pretty obvious..and the 80's sadisnta terror and the current cuba crises are very current.
when cameras got photos of us-aid vechiles being used to supply arms to the contras it went ignored by the press..so it would be interesting to see what or who your basing your opnions on, obviously not foreign policy?
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The same goes for every questionable action they have ever taken. They ARE welcomed or else they wouldnt be aiding anyone..They are welcomed until they are no longer needed and then people get in a strop at their presence.
I didnt see Bin Laden or any Afghans turning down the Stingers that the US sent to them in the 80s..
why is this board so hostile towards an alternative ?
God what happened to the world
Sorry but I thought I addressed your point 100%...Please tell me exactly what you want me to reply to and I will oblige.
Nobody is hostile to alternatives, you just havent suggested anything. You come here and spout the same crap that we have heard a dozen times before and you dont even explain yourself fully.
You have said that the war is wrong, told us why you believe that, oh and that it is apparently all GAPs fault (?!:confused <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">, but as yet you have said what you would do instead.
This issue has been discussed on many threads on this site and all we have ever asked for is an alternative, yet consistently the 'appeasers/peaceniks' fail to deliver.
So, time to put up - or shut up.
"Perhaps my best years are gone, but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now." - Samuel Beckett
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A alternative? A independant body monitoring the evidence, currently the us is using un-banned cluster bombs, they have been given a unmonitered almost godlike power over life and death; Instead of targating the purpitators of the crimes they aparently are seeking vengence for.
Can you tell me which UN document details the banning of anti tank cluster bombs? I thought that the MPs calling for the banning of cluster bombs meant that they were currently not banned.
They are targetting the al Queda camps and the Taliban military...Who do you think is the perpetrator?
The US Government has faced criticism from several aid agencies regarding their use, including several mine clearing agencies.
The UN also criticised their use after several cluster bombs landed on the village of Shaker Qala, near the city of Herat in western Afghanistan, killing nine civilians and injuring 14.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1630000/1630930.stm
you were saying?
It dosent take a genius to know what cluster bombs result in...do you really need a explanation? Are we to consider them morally sound by whom? The lords? America? Guess i'll just sit tight and wait for a verdict
Firstly, condemnation and criticism is one thing but a UN ban is very different. Cluster bombs are not banned by the UN as you just claimed.
Secondly, im confused what NATO has to do with anything. We are talking about the UN arent we? NATO considers the US unhumanitarian? You are getting a little muddled here I think.
They are no less morally sound than any bomb. Why is a cluster bomb worse than a 2000lb bomb? Cluster bombs arent being used against villages as people like you would like to believe. They are being used against armoured columns and Taliban installations. They arent dropping cluster bombs in towns or cities. Comparing the 1-2% of bomblets that dont go off to mines is just silly. They arent buried under the ground, they are bright yellow and it takes more than a childs weight to set them off.
Why do people like you always bring the past into it? This conflict has nothing to do with that the only connection is that the Taliban and Northern Alliance have a few obsolete American weapons left over from the cold war and the invasion by the Soviet Union. The CIA has never endorsed the Taliban regime, and no country apart from Saudi-Arabia and Pakistan have acknowledged it's existence as a legitimate government.
As for carpet bombing, tell me exactly how many civilians like to spend their days hanging around military installations and troop formations when they aren't busy? I'l tell you how many...NONE dumbass. Carpet bombing is the only effective way to destroy vast troop concentrations and armour columns, anyone should know that, but apparently you think they are being used against innocent civilians.
I think you should come up with a better argument, as no one here is convinced that the war should be stopped, and from the sounds of it, your argument, like any other pacifists falls apart as soon as someone picks it apart.
RULE BRITTANIA
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Still waiting...
"Perhaps my best years are gone, but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now." - Samuel Beckett
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Bore..enjoy the war, sleep well tonight..hell why shouldnt you, can you imagine if someone defended there own country by bombing us continusly during christmas....anywho i'll leave you to rationalize alone
bye bye
jesus CHRIST, we KNOW there are casualties, we KNOW what is happening in afghanistan and i suspect that we know more about the global situation than you and all ur left wing friends combined.
give us a bloody alternative, and for fucks sake, learn to spell.
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
Easy tiger! And you say my arguements are aggressive and disruptive to these calm boards!
Yeah, but he has a point.
Too all you lefties out there, why the hell is it so difficult for you to come up with new material and arguments, we can all do it, what makes you so different, oh wait I forgot, instead of going to school you lived in a squat.