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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Suicide bombers are a cause of much concern in our society. Another incentive as well as the religious aspect is that their parents (I know that this is definately true of the Palestinians) will be given money by the state for every year of the rest of their lives.Thoughts?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its not as though its unexpected. These guys are brainwashed by their parents from birth. Their parents use religion and hate to mess with the kids minds.

    I dont have a problem with the idea of suicide bombers in war. If they wanna blow themselves up thats fine with me....Its when these animals target innocent people that it starts getting out of order.

    These people are the scum of the earth and I hope they will rot in whichever version of hell they believe in.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I read an article a few days ago that claimed that there is no religious justification for suicide bombers, rather that suicide bombers were actually prohibited from the status of Martyrs. If I can find it again, I'll post the link.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont have a problem with the idea of suicide bombers in war. If they wanna blow themselves up thats fine with me
    By the term suicide bombers, I thought it was taken as fact that they intend to kill others with them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes obviously but im saying that soldier against soldier I dont have a problem. Its when they target civilians that the problems arise in my eyes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The harsh and very real solution would be to round up the family members of such a bomber and publicly execute all of them...terror with terror!

    Before you rant, consider...this is how islamics would treat anyone doing these things to them.

    This war will never end so long as islam exists and when you consider how the israelis have treated the palestinians it is understandable.

    Were england similarally occupied and you were treated like shit in your own country...given less than 2nd class 'citizenship' (I'm being nice, I didn't say subject or serf) just what would be your response...and how long would it take to get to where the palestinians are today?

    Would you just take it or would you fight back...as once england did against the Romans...and almost won.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It never was 'their' country Diesel. Before the start of last century there was never even the notion of Palestine as a country.

    If England were occupied then we would fight against the occupying force. We wouldnt go and murder their children. Or at least id like to think we wouldnt.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>It never was 'their' country Diesel. Before the start of last century there was never even the notion of Palestine as a country.

    If England were occupied then we would fight against the occupying force. We wouldnt go and murder their children. Or at least id like to think we wouldnt.</STRONG>

    Isreal didnt exist until 1947, and it only came about because of the small but influential Jewish community in America. That and guilt about the Nazis.

    And as for not blowing up children, people who claim to be subjects of the Crown in Ulster repetedly blow up Catholics, as well as stoning Catholic children, women, etc... Personally I believe that it is Israel to blame for the problems there, and that the Palestinians are right to fight, but that the killing of innocent people is entirely wrong. Like with the Republicans in Ulster, I believe that their motives are right, but their actions completely and utterly abominable. But dont forget that the Isrealis are as big a terrorist group as the Palestinians. They just have the support of America.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit:
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    Isreal didnt exist until 1947, and it only came about because of the small but influential Jewish community in America. That and guilt about the Nazis.

    And as for not blowing up children, people who claim to be subjects of the Crown in Ulster repetedly blow up Catholics, as well as stoning Catholic children, women, etc... Personally I believe that it is Israel to blame for the problems there, and that the Palestinians are right to fight, but that the killing of innocent people is entirely wrong. Like with the Republicans in Ulster, I believe that their motives are right, but their actions completely and utterly abominable. But dont forget that the Isrealis are as big a terrorist group as the Palestinians. They just have the support of America.</STRONG>


    It was the British who promised the Jews a homeland, not the Americans.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit, I know full well about the formation of Israel. My point was that there was never a Palestinian country. Israel is irrelevant to that point which is why I didnt mention its formation.

    The terrorists in NI are scum. They are not representative of the UK, they arent even representative of the majority of northern Irish people.

    Say what you want about the Israelis, they do not deliberately target women and children.

    Sean, I seem to remember the League of nations having a little to do with it as well. The mandates were set up by the winners of WW1, not just the British. We were assigned several mandates to administer, Palestine being one of them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    <STRONG>Were england similarally occupied and you were treated like shit ... Would you just take it or would you fight back</STRONG>

    I'd fight back (risking my life), but that isn't the point, I wouldn't commit suicide. Not only would it mean in religous terms that I went to hell (dying with a mortal sin), but, it would solve absolutly nothing.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>Kermit, I know full well about the formation of Israel. My point was that there was never a Palestinian country. Israel is irrelevant to that point which is why I didnt mention its formation.

    The terrorists in NI are scum. They are not representative of the UK, they arent even representative of the majority of northern Irish people.

    Say what you want about the Israelis, they do not deliberately target women and children.</STRONG>

    True about NI, the terrorists are scum. All of them are. But I include the Israeli nation in that list of terrorists, in that they DO deliberately attack crowded populated areas. However, because they are a GOvernment and use F16 jets, etc, they can claim to be pinpointing certain active addresses. The truth is that I seriously doubt they are...it always seems to be children who die in Isreali attackls, not PLO officers.

    I know that Palestine isnt a country, and it never has been, but the peoples that inhabited the area of Syris, etc, that is called 'Palestine' were evicted from their lands, and so on. Its still happening where people are evicted from their land so the Isrealis can build houses that only Jews may live in.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in that they DO deliberately attack crowded populated areas.

    Nice...But then thats not what I said <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> They dont deliberately target civilians. The Palestinians specifically target civilians. It is also the Palestinians who build their police and military compounds within the largest population zones. Its a great tactic, if Israel comes after them then civilians are almost certain to be killed. That works in the terrorists favour and yet the Israelis have to do it because of the relentless attacks on their civilians.

    We really shouldnt get into an argument over Israel..Dont wanna hijack this thread as well.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:<STRONG>
    We really shouldnt get into an argument over Israel..Dont wanna hijack this thread as well.</STRONG>

    True, we agree that all terrorists are scumbags who need punishing, we just dont agree on who the terrorists are <IMG alt="image" SRC="smile.gif" border="0">

    Lets get back to slagging off the Taleban... <IMG alt="image" SRC="tongue.gif" border="0">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>Sean, I seem to remember the League of nations having a little to do with it as well. The mandates were set up by the winners of WW1, not just the British. We were assigned several mandates to administer, Palestine being one of them.</STRONG>

    Correct. But there is a difference between the mandates and promises of an independent nation. Those promises came from British officials (believe it or not, one of the things I think was actually done right).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog, one man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter...heard that before?

    Anyway, during the F & I War and our Revolution there was a program sponsered by the british to exterminate the 'rebels' and their families...women and children included...british officers paid for scalps, women and children's hair was just fine.

    That is a nasty bit of our shared history.

    The dirtbag islamics are the wreckers of civilization and won't be happy until the whole world follows the qu'ran...wahhabi style.

    All the things we have been taught to view as 'politically incorrect' will just keep happening until we get the message...as for defineing it...perhaps we are in a secular/religious, multiculturalis/race war where civilized nations are the good guys against the ragabag terrorist nations of islam.

    They see us, US too, all as hipocrits because we play the 'race' card and then deny it...pretend to be o'h so proper...while identifying the enemey as being turbaned mixed race scoundrels...which incidentally they may be but we aren't supposed to notice...and they hate us for the pretence.

    No SNOWDAY today...mountain storm, we're geting 15" and tomorrow is a holiday...so, it Monday for skiing...awsome.

    This is an important issue, I hold some harsh viewpoints based on my own reality and experience...as people we must sort some things out or go mad with our own confused notions...currently I can only compare it to trying to stomp out national socialism while actively promoting 'Mein Kampf' in our schools, etc. Just substitute the qu'ran and you have the picture.

    I'll be back.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog, one man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter...heard that before?

    Yes and its total bullshit. You start killing mothers and babies to gain your freedom then you dont deserve your freedom.
    Anyway, during the F & I War and our Revolution there was a program sponsered by the british to exterminate the 'rebels' and their families...women and children included...british officers paid for scalps, women and children's hair was just fine.

    That is a nasty bit of our shared history.

    Ill let you in on a little secret Diesel mate. This isnt the 18th century. Most of the western world has evolved somewhat from its barbarous past. Clearly some parts of the world havent.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=fatwa1998.htm

    Balddog, just a reminder...of who the enemy is...the enemy to all civilization, an enemy that does not hesitate to kill women and children.

    Diesel

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Diesel:
    <STRONG>http://www.military.com/Resources/ResourceFileView?file=fatwa1998.htm

    Balddog, just a reminder...of who the enemy is...the enemy to all civilization, an enemy that does not hesitate to kill women and children.

    Diesel

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    To be fair though, America IS occupying Muslim holy lands, America IS supporting puppet rulers in order to get oil, and America has killed over a million people since the 80's.
    You wonder why there're pissed off?
    All you need to do is withdraw your military from Saudi Arabia and they will be happy.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whowhere, appeasment is not part of the US equation. What would they want next...appeasment?

    There is nothing 'holy' about one piece of this flying mudball over another...either it's all holy or none of it is.

    Remember, at one time they wanted all of Europe for islam as well...the Polls finally got pissed off and stopped them cold...and rolled them back a bit too. Today's invasion is much more subtle...invasion from the whomb.

    Diesel

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whowhere,

    Seeing as how the major religions all grew up in the same area, its unfair to say they are just Muslim holy lands. There are holy sites for the three major religions throughout the middle east.

    You might find that the Saudis might be a little annoyed if the US left completely. The arabs get much more out of the deal than the Americans do. They can live off the oil proceeds and dont have to do anything.
    All you need to do is withdraw your military from Saudi Arabia and they will be happy.

    Thats a little naive mate. You should know theres much more to it than that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>

    Thats a little naive mate. You should know theres much more to it than that.</STRONG>

    "Should" IS the operative word, but if the boy really believes what he posts, then "naive" becomes the overwhelming condition.
    Besides, his act of public masturbation requires US-bashing... it's what "gets 'im off"... <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    <STRONG>... and America has killed over a million people since the 80's.</STRONG>

    Of course, you ARE going to back that up, aren't you? ROTFLMFAO! Been reading bin Laden's "Meine Kampf" agin? <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

    [ 20-01-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    With all these kills, being in the Military myself I should at least know someone that has killed a innocent civilian like you are sujesting
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The origins of this post started with suicide bommers, so I will take it back a few steps.

    The way the British used to deal with muslims terrorists was to tell them that when they were dead, they would be wrapped in a pig skin then buried. maybe a similar tactic could be used against these suicide bombers.

    To do a little US bashing I will add that, the majority of officers bodys that were recovered in Vietnam were shot in the back.
    "Follow me men" BANG BANG
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The way the British used to deal with muslims terrorists was to tell them that when they were dead, they would be wrapped in a pig skin then buried.

    Id never heard that. Do you know when it went on? I knew that the great Gen Black Jack Pershing did it for the USA over in the Phillipines, or something similar anyway. Wasnt aware the Brits had done it.
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