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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    would it not then be prudent to use my own judgement on what I believe to be the best for the nation

    Surely you did this when voting for your representatives in parliament?

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    God no, that's simply a process of choosing the egomaniac with the least dangerous policies - I don't think there's a single politician I would trust with my life, seeing as I am not the owner or CEO of any major company.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by al:
    would it not then be prudent to use my own judgement on what I believe to be the best for the nation, especially if my life is at stake?

    So, if Britain was under attack, say London fell victim to a successful biological attack, 3 million of your fellow countrymen are dead and the number is increasing. Would you fight? Remember that this is a possibility, not something in the realms of fantasy.

    Or would you decide that your life is far more important and run away and hide in the mountains?

    The government has eyes and ears everywhere, big brother is watching you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So, if Britain was under attack, say London fell victim to a successful biological attack, 3 million of your fellow countrymen are dead and the number is increasing. Would you fight?

    yes- I would in this instance.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would you fight?

    FIGHT WHO?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by [T]:
    Would you fight?

    FIGHT WHO?

    Good point - I don't know...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    {T}, its a hypothetical question...Insert whoever you can imagine wiping out our armed forces to the point where conscrition is needed into the 'who you would fight' category.

    BTW, one of my favourite poems there <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
    Of course its all well and good of us to talk about this on a forum but whos to say we wouldnt feel differently if the situation actually arose. I could very well turn out to be a coward when it comes down to it and you guys could well be so maddened by the attacks on us that you turn into bloodcrazed looneys...Who can tell, thats the joy of hypotheticals <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MacKenZie:
    Far bigger weapons (and the ones that'll finish the job) are education, free media and so on. The BBC World Service is the biggest gun we have.

    Education and free media? That is a long-term solution that will be introduced after any 'war', this is only effective once the threat to our way of life is eliminated. For now I'll take the nuclear warheads, tanks and flame-throwers, thank-you all the same.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Captain Kirk:
    Education and free media? That is a long-term solution that will be introduced after any 'war', this is only effective once the threat to our way of life is eliminated. For now I'll take the nuclear warheads, tanks and flame-throwers, thank-you all the same.


    The "threat to our way of life" is a certain set of insidious thought processes known collectively as faith. And, for the nth time, faith is beaten by rigourous education in the ways of logical (scientific) reasoning.

    The education I describe as being necessary to the successful conclusion of this conflict must be corollary to it, not appended to it. I say again: education is a weapon, and it is our biggest one.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Stuey:
    So you gonna hunt me down and what are you gonna do when you find me, sweetheart?


    [This message has been edited by Stuey (edited 16-10-2001).]

    Nobody would have to hunt you down because 1) you wouldn't have the guts to defy conscription and 2) if you did you would have to run away to another country which is fine with me. 3) if you stayed someone would turn you inwhich would be even better.

    Well some reservists have been called up, one step closer to conscription, just think stuey as I'm on the reserve I get called up before you get conscripted, so you could have the situation where I end up your platoon Sgt......sweetheart.

    platoonchild

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog,
    Speaking hypertheticaly (sp!) of course. (and as you said any of our reactions could change) Would I fight? That completly depends on the situation. At this moment in time no I wouldn't.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From Shadow Dancing:
    "Take responsibility for your actions, for crying out loud. You go in there and you fight for what matters to you, don't just walk away because it's easier. What did you say? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. You are too busy dying, aren't you? I guess that's a bit more important to you right now. Well, fine, you do what you want, because you and I, we parted ways a long time ago. So just go ahead and die, because I really don't care anymore."

    ...Would be my words to those who refuse under any and all circumstances to employ violence in the pursuit of anything.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Stuey:
    So you gonna hunt me down and what are you gonna do when you find me, sweetheart?
    B]

    Military law would dictate that I would have to shoot you on the spot, or you would be taken for court martial, stood in front of a wall, with a blindfold and erm, shot. sweetheart.
    Wanna know why I would gladly hunt down deserters? Because they obviously don't care if I live or die, so I dont care if they do.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would fight for whatever reason, purely for the fact that am not scared of death. If I die over there cos of whatever reason then so be it thats just my luck. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    Change the F with the w and you have got me in one :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not scared to say no to conscription.
    And it wouldn't make me a deserter!!!
    It would make me a consciencious objector who has decided not to fight.
    If we were expected to fight in this "war" I would say NO.
    I don't want to be involved, because I don't think it is fair or legal and I don't want to kill another person.
    I don't want to be put in a situation where I am expected to shoot someone because they might shoot me first.
    I'd rather stay out of it and wait until a cause I really believe in comes up thanks.
    And I don't think this time that the cause is freedom!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    wuckfit, you might be scared of death when your intestines are on the out side of your boddy and your arm is three meaters away from you.

    Whowhere,

    "Military law would dictate that I would have to shoot you on the spot, or you would be taken for court martial, stood in front of a wall, with a blindfold and erm, shot"

    not any more.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by [T]:
    Whowhere,

    "Military law would dictate that I would have to shoot you on the spot, or you would be taken for court martial, stood in front of a wall, with a blindfold and erm, shot"

    not any more.


    Incorrect, [T]: military officers in the field still have powers of summary justice (including the penalty of death). I know. My father had those very powers when on deployment with his Squadron.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by [T]:
    Whowhere,

    "Military law would dictate that I would have to shoot you on the spot, or you would be taken for court martial, stood in front of a wall, with a blindfold and erm, shot"

    not any more.


    Incorrect, [T]: military officers in the field still have powers of summary justice (including the penalty of death). I know. My father had those very powers when on deployment with his Squadron.




    You're damn right we need a rational code of morality and ethics. But not much progress can be made in that direction while we've still got a majority ranting about gods, devils, souls, and absolute morality, and using an ancient book written by ignorant nomads as a guide.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    When we are talking about conscription it means the shit has really hit the fan, it also means that Britain itself is directly threatened. The government would not conscript troops to fight a war somewhere else when it could simply pull our troops out.
    Conscription will only happen if Britain can be attacked by conventional forces, that is when I will have no patience with deserters.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So - you'll shoot them too?
    Or what - put them in prison - in which case they have achieved their aim - they are out of the war and don't have to kill anyone.

    You have a right to feel as you do - if you want to stoop that far down and kill another person, to do just as the hijackers did - kill another person - then I guess you will go ahead.
    I don't want to be like that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Macenzie, I stand corrected.

    (Although I was refering to Conciensoiusly objecting rather than deserting)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry T - I was replying to Whowhere's comment about having no patience with deserters
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