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This is why America is so hated by the Middle East

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
1948: Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.

1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically-elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter-century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.

1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.

1963: U.S. reported to gives Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

1967-: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC Resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the 1967 war.

1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. prepare to intervene on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

1972: U.S. blocks Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Israel.

1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.

1973-75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

1978-79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.

1979-88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.

1980-88: Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly-aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and two Libyan planes shot down. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing two Americans, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter.

1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, killing some 17 thousand civilians. U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self-defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.

1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war, including bombardment by USS New Jersey. Withdraw after suicide bombing of marine barracks.

1984: U.S.-backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.

1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.

1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.

1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.

1990-91: U.S. rejects any diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (for example, rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional occupations, of Kuwait and of Palestine). U.S. leads international coalition in war against Iraq. Civilian infrastructure targeted. To promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid post-war uprisings by Shi'ites in the south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to captured Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter flights.

1991-: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."

1993-: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self-defense against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months earlier.

1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. U.S. later acknowledges lack of evidence for the chemical warfare charge.

2000-: Israel uses U.S. arms in attempt to crush Palestinian uprising, killing hundreds of civilians.

The U.S. also backs authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, arming Saudi Arabia, trained the secret police in Iran under the Shah, and provided arms and aid to
Turkey as it ruthlessly attacked Kurdish villages.


[This message has been edited by Steelgate (edited 31-10-2001).]

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Steelgate:
    1948: Israel established. U.S. declines to press Israel to allow expelled Palestinians to return.

    expelled??ROFL..Large numbers voluntarily went to Lebanon before the invasion of Israel. They were told the country would no longer exist after the attacks. Why should Israel have let such scum back in?

    1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.

    Elected by whom?

    1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically-elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter-century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.

    They nationalised a British company? Did they pay for it?

    1956: U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt receives Eastern bloc arms.

    They were arming themselves. The US didnt promise the damn unconditionally

    1956: Israel, Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.

    You might wanna include the background to this invasion. Suez canal is rather a big issue

    1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".

    Whats the problem here?

    early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.

    1963: U.S. reported to gives Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.

    'Reported'

    1967-: U.S. blocks any effort in the Security Council to enforce SC Resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the 1967 war.

    They had every right to those territories as spoils of war. The aggressors pay that price.

    1970: Civil war between Jordan and PLO. Israel and U.S. prepare to intervene on side of Jordan if Syria backs PLO.

    Whats wrong with this? Both are arab countries. Why does backing Jordon piss off arabs?

    1972: U.S. blocks Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Israel.

    WTF? The US backed Egypt and offered US aid to Israel if they withdrew their troops. How is that blocking efforts?

    1973: Airlifted U.S. military aid enables Israel to turn the tide in war with Syria and Egypt.

    They are allies..You help your friends

    1973-75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."

    ROFLMAO, since when do arabs give a shit about Kurds? Theres no uproar about saddams actions in the arab world

    1975: U.S. vetoes Security Council resolution condemning Israeli attacks on Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

    1978-79: Iranians begin demonstrations against the Shah. U.S. tells Shah it supports him "without reservation" and urges him to act forcefully. Until the last minute, U.S. tries to organize military coup to save the Shah, but to no avail.

    Whats wrong with this? Trying to aid the legit govt

    1979-88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.

    ROFL...How on EARTH does this make the US hated in the arab world?

    1980-88: Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly-aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290.

    So which side should they have supported? Both sides were arab so supporting either side would piss off the other.

    1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and two Libyan planes shot down. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing two Americans, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter.

    'possibly true'

    1982: U.S. gives "green light" to Israeli invasion of Lebanon, killing some 17 thousand civilians. U.S. chooses not to invoke its laws prohibiting Israeli use of U.S. weapons except in self-defense. U.S. vetoes several Security Council resolutions condemning the invasion.

    green light eh? Israel isnt a dog on a leash. Despite what some think, Israel is independant

    1983: U.S. troops sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational peacekeeping force; intervene on one side of a civil war, including bombardment by USS New Jersey. Withdraw after suicide bombing of marine barracks.

    You mean like we have done in every peacekeeping operation in recent years?

    1984: U.S.-backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.

    They didnt get their orders from the US

    1987-92: U.S. arms used by Israel to repress first Palestinian Intifada. U.S. vetoes five Security Council resolution condemning Israeli repression.

    You know what intifada means right?

    1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.

    SO?

    1988: U.S. vetoes 3 Security Council resolutions condemning continuing Israeli occupation of and repression in Lebanon.

    1990-91: U.S. rejects any diplomatic settlement of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (for example, rebuffing any attempt to link the two regional occupations, of Kuwait and of Palestine). U.S. leads international coalition in war against Iraq. Civilian infrastructure targeted. To promote "stability" U.S. refuses to aid post-war uprisings by Shi'ites in the south and Kurds in the north, denying the rebels access to captured Iraqi weapons and refusing to prohibit Iraqi helicopter flights.

    ROFLMAO

    1991-: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."

    Saddam has chemical weapons factories in Iraq and is continuing his quest for Nukes

    1993-: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self-defense against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months earlier.

    1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.

    1998: U.S. destroys factory producing half of Sudan's pharmaceutical supply, claiming retaliation for attacks on U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and that factory was involved in chemical warfare. U.S. later acknowledges lack of evidence for the chemical warfare charge.

    2000-: Israel uses U.S. arms in attempt to crush Palestinian uprising, killing hundreds of civilians.

    If you give me a stick and I hit some stranger with it, is it your fault?


    You really should read some of the crap you post.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks for the history lesson Ironcurtain it was very informative (for those who didn't already know this of course), did you look it up yourself or have you copied and pasted as usual?

    I really don't see what you are worried about though. [sarcasm]The workers of the world will unite soon and overthrow our oppressive masters. We will then live in peace and harmony will all other nations of the world.[/sarcasm]

    Still as long as you can continue to berate the people who uphold the freedoms you take for granted, you won't mind, will you?

    "Perhaps my best years are gone, but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now." - Samuel Beckett

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Mujihadeen who America supported and trained are brutal thugs like the Taliban who have imposed a reign of terror on the people of Afghanistan. Most people in the arab world hate living under brutal oppresive US backed regimes like Saudia Arabia and the Taliban. So that is a reason why America is hated in the arab world.

    America is also the biggest seller of arms to the arab world as well fuelling wars between arab states like for example the 1980 - 88 Iran/Iraq war and selling arms to Israel so that it can continue to sieze Palestinian land and massacre Palestinian civilians. When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 for example under the orders of Ariel Sharon now Israel President thousands of people were killed by that invasion. If Osama bin Laden is a terrorist responsible for thousands of deaths then so is Ariel Sharon the president of Israel!

    The sanctions on Iraq have killed one million Iraqis since 1990. These deaths have occured because of sanctions on vital medical supplies. You should read papers like the Socialist Worker, Workers Power and The Socialist to find out the facts about why this war is wrong.




    [This message has been edited by Steelgate (edited 03-11-2001).]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Steelgate,

    The tabliban are former Mujahadeen...They arent two seperate groups. You are confusing yourself again.

    I can assure you that the rulers of Saudi Arabia dont mind the US cash. The US merely pays for the oil..Its not their place to dicate to the house of Saud how they spend it. America cannot be held responsible for the governments that the arab people allow to rule their countries.

    The sanctions on Iraq should be dropped, there we agree..

    You trot out the same half doezen paragraphs on every post you make. You really should either change the record or come up with your own opinions.

    Yeah reading socialist papers is really going to give us an unbiased reason as to why this war is wrong...Go read the NF/BNP/TP websites and see their reasons for why this war is wrong....I dont give a damn about the opinions of some dickhead writing for the socialist worker....I have a brain, I can read unbiased news and form my own opinions

    I suggest you do the same and stop spouting the same old crap weve been hearing from these websites
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Steelgate:
    The Mujihadeen who America supported and trained are brutal thugs like the Taliban who have imposed a reign of terror on the people of Afghanistan. Most people in the arab world hate living under brutal oppresive US backed regimes like Saudia Arabia and the Taliban. So that is a reason why America is hated in the arab world.


    True the Taliban were formed from the Mujihadeen, but only with the influence of Pakistan - or is it alright for them to intervene in another country's affairs?

    Funnily enough, the Northern Alliance came from the Mujihadeen too...

    I suspect that the real reason you hate the Taliban an US so much is because of the nose bleed the gave the Union of Socialist Soviet Republics.

    Funny how this 'country' is no longer held up as the ideal socialist state - now that it has collapsed. Of course this would never have happened in a true socialist regime because the workers would never be allowed to revolt against it, would they?

    Funnily enough, it would happen because the workers you claim to represent have voted time and again NOT to live in a socialist state.

    How many votes did the socialists get in the last election?

    The sanctions on Iraq have killed one million Iraqis since 1990. These deaths have occured because of sanctions on vital medical supplies.

    Whilst I agree that sanctions are not the answer (even though the pacifists like you suggested that they were ideal as an alternative to warfare at the time - a u-turn perhaps?), you really do yourself no favours by suggesting that 1million dead is FACT. How can you be sure, has anyone counted? Why 1m, or is it that you believe that this would shock us enough to support you?

    Perhaps instead of sanctions we should finish the job started in 1991...

    You should read papers like the Socialist Worker, Workers Power and The Socialist to find out the facts about why this war is wrong.

    The facts? So have these people turned away from their socialist ideals and started to print independant views. Doesn;t the name give you a clue of what slant will be given?

    The best thing to do Ironcurtain is to read as many wide ranging accounts as you can and then form you own opinion. Obviously this is something you find impossible to do which is why you quote from the Red Book and post links to site, which often have word for word what your post says...



    "Perhaps my best years are gone, but I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now." - Samuel Beckett

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quote You should read papers like the Socialist Worker, Workers Power and The Socialist to find out the facts about why this war is wrong.

    Ever wondered why only fringe elements of society read these rags, could it be they are full of shit ? or is it the majority of people know when they are being fed bullshit and lies ?

    peace something or other

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    WHAT A SHOCKER!!!!

    UNEMPLOYED STEELGATE READS SOCIALIST WORKER!!

    I'll die before I surrender.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    because america are a sucess! .........and they aint!
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