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Motherland, Fatherland & Homeland

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
It looks like the family is together again...let the CRUSADE begin.

Let political correctness be put aside for plain speaking folks...we are a warrior society and always were...we chose to have the rest of the world as either servant or enemy...so, what is the question?

Of course it is a Crusade, a Crusade against lesser folk who breed like mink and spread their mindless hate as if it were 'god's' own true gospel...from the floor of their mud huts...enough of it all ready...duty is action; fight or die.

Now, lets have some appropriate music, Rikard Wagner perhaps...some drums, kettle, and a bugle or two...then nuke them into glass...we really must get this over with so we can go back to fighting amoung ourselves.

Diesel

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    eugh...sorry, that first picture - i have a bone to pick with. i dislike that style of drawing, i've always find it's implied overconfidence, arrogance and worst of all, (american) jingoism. maybe it's just me, or the fact that a lot of the pictures one sees drawn in that style are disgustingly patriotic.

    If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that first pic is one of the best images to come out after the WTC attacks Is this not a time for patriotism for the American people? America is one of the most patriotic nations on earth and I dont think thats anything like a bad thing.

    The thing about American overconfidence and arrogance is that they can back it up with their actions. They are the single superpower on this planet, they are the only nation in the history of man that has held such power and hasnt overtly attempted to conquer the world.

    God bless America and all her arrogance.

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    they've conquered the world without even trying, letting their corporations do it for them. well done america.

    yeah, ur right balddog, right now nationalism et al is a great thing - i'm not sure why i don't like the picture, or what it reminds me off...i'll get back to you on that one.

    If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bingo - reminds me of old vietnam pics, which would explain why i dont like it.

    If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Id rather put up with a macdonalds in my town than US soldiers taking over the world by force...Their Marine corp outnumbers our ENTIRE army.

    Nationalism and Patriotism are different things. Nationalism at this time would be a very dangerous thing.

    Not a fan of Vietnam then Turtle?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    US soldiers taking over the world by force...Their Marine corp outnumbers our ENTIRE army.

    Supposidly, in ground manouvers, the American troops aren't all that good. European troops, including our own, are more highly regarded as better trained and experienced. Numbers are no match for skill. I believe these European troops will be more widly deployed than large numbers of American ground forces. However, the Americans do have brutal force which mainly lies in its huge weaponary arsonal, I wouldn't like to be on the recieving end of that.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kirk,

    You are right. Ive heard comments that the US army is the national welfare office. The training of the average soldier is very basic and ours are trained to a much higher level. Unfortunately when you are outnumbered 20-1, training doesnt really come into it.

    and of course their guns work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Kirk,
    You are right.

    Now I can die in peace. I've waited for this sweet day. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
    ... training doesnt really come into it.
    and of course their guns work.

    But do they know how to use them? Training is evrything my friend. 20 American ground troops don't scare me (wouldn't stand a chance up against the SAS). Its just the artillary that would be mobalised with them, they have more fire-power than they know what to do with.

    [This message has been edited by Captain Kirk (edited 30-10-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Nationalism at this time would be a very dangerous thing.


    so can patriotism, in the wrong hands. problem is, the sort of patriotism aroused in many western countries can be equally as blind as the religious extremism and intolerance of certain islamic fundamentalists.

    as for the pictures: the flag one is ridiculous, and annoys the hell out of me. its all very nice but completely ignores the crucial issue of humanitarian aid. the fight against terrorism cannot be fought realistically unless we help those on whom the bombs are dropped. otherwise we become little better than bin laden et al.

    the second one though, now thats just funny <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    humour beats misapplied patriotism any day.

    "we have intercourse in every direction" - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto (honest!!)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Id rather put up with a macdonalds in my town than US soldiers taking over the world by force...Their Marine corp outnumbers our ENTIRE army.

    ROTFLMAO at that one...mcdonalds indeed...!

    Actually brute force is not our, US, calling so much as logistics...we just bury everyone and everything with 'stuff' and keep it coming. Hitler lost because he ran out of stuff...england won because we kept the stuff coming and coming and...! You get the idea...it's like sex, all up and down motion with a few side issues.

    As for Viet Nam...well, they, US, never let us fight to win...it was such a politically correct war that the subject stinks...and yes, I am a veteran of that war!

    Balddog, building up an FAL STG-58...brand new parts, know you'd love it...something for my grandchildren...!

    Diesel

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    On the training issue, I once saw a program about the French foreign legion and their training.
    They had an assault course and they invited representatives of the USA and Britain's special forces to take part.
    The UK special forces declined for security, so they sent regular soldiers instead. The USA sent the delta force.
    They timed the assault course, it took the frogs 9 minutes, the UK REGULAR SOLDIERS 11 minutes and the US delta force 19 minutes.
    If our regular troops can beat someone so easily then I think training in a war makes a BIG difference.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere:
    On the training issue, I once saw a program about the French foreign legion and their training.
    They had an assault course and they invited representatives of the USA and Britain's special forces to take part.
    The UK special forces declined for security, so they sent regular soldiers instead. The USA sent the delta force.
    They timed the assault course, it took the frogs 9 minutes, the UK REGULAR SOLDIERS 11 minutes and the US delta force 19 minutes.
    If our regular troops can beat someone so easily then I think training in a war makes a BIG difference.

    Correct-a-mondo Whowhere, just like I said.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unfortunately when you are outnumbered 20-1, training doesnt really come into it.

    If we go all the way back to the 'olden' days when we fought with long bows, you will see that we beat the french, (i forget the battle) and we where out numbered 20-1 also. Why? we had long bows which takes a lifetime to master, the french on the other hand only had shity crosbows. We kicked 'ass' quite monumentaly.

    That btw is where the fuck you two fingered sign comes from. When the french captured POW's they would cut their first two fingers off so they couldn't use longbows. So when the english won a battle they would show off their fingers in defiance.
    You get the idea...it's like sex, all up and down motion with a few side issues

    You must be crap in bed. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    [T],

    Im afraid we werent outnumbered 20-1. Battle of Agincourt was 25000 Frenchies to our 6000. Crecy was 36000 Frenchies to our 12000.
    Poitiers was 20000 Frenchies to our 7000.

    We were pretty badass in the hundred years war and our skill was great but 20-1 is nigh on unwinnable. And of course the longbows were the best weapon at the time, If the Frenchies had been using them as well then things would have turned out differently.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    fat lot of good our fighting in the hundred yaers war actually did though. okay, so we kicked french ass for half of it. but we were defending the indefensible; english-occupied french territory, on the grounds of some very tenuous norman/plantagenat soverainty.

    so ultimately, the hundred years war just ensured that we held on to calais for another century or so. bit pointless really. but then, any chance to beat the frogs is good enough for me <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;


    i'm doing my french coursework tonight (or rather i'm not, coz i'm posting here), hence my bitterness towards the snail-eaters. j'suis desolé, mes amis!

    "we have intercourse in every direction" - Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto (honest!!)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There was no France at that time Dan. Theres nothing tenuous about it, we had every right to Calais...Rights didnt stop them invading us in the 11th C now did it <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They don't like you deisel:
    http://www.urban75.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=000954

    5th post down.

    [This message has been edited by peacechild (edited 01-11-2001).]
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