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200 Brit Pakistanis fighting for taliban
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200 Brit Pakistanis have left the UK and are now fighting for taliban, according to todays paper.
I think they should NOT be allowed back into the UK.
(I hope they all become martyrs)
peacechild
I think they should NOT be allowed back into the UK.
(I hope they all become martyrs)
peacechild
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Its more than likely they will become martyrs. It will be interesting to see how their spoilt British arses fair in the hands of the northern alliance or russian troops.
I cant say im sorry to see them out of this country though. The more of them that die on Afghanistans plains the less of them to blow up kids.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
Now all we need is arson in HM dockyards...
Of course they wont get a death sentance. This is Britain and they are a minority...I very much doubt we would even give Hitler a death sentance in this day and age..Wouldnt want to infringe upon his human rights now would we.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
Plus thosands of volunteers from Saudi,Egypt,Yemen and Algeria also went to fight with official heroes farewells from their respective govts.And plenty of support in Peshawar from the CIA.
After the war many werent let back into their respective countries-still radical Islamists but now battle hardened-staying in Afghanistan was the only option.
So lets bomb a shit poor country because its harbouring a group of people the US set up in the first place!
No he would probably have had tea with Thatcher and been labelled as a "freedom fighter" by the Daily Mail.
I dont see your point. People change, situations change. We class the USA as our greatest ally today but OH MY GOD, we were actually at war with them 200 years ago..They were classed as terrorists by our govt...
This is what gets right on my tits..It doesnt matter one jot that the US set them up and financed them in the 80s. They have switched their target to America and have made themselves a target. The Taliban are chosing to harbour Bin Laden and his group and that makes them a legitimate target for US bombs.
You really cant see that groups and peoples objectives can change??
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
What a bloody useless analogy..In your scenario the Brit would be fighting an enemy of his country. In real life these men are going out to afghanistan to fight the UK troops..They are going to fight their own countrymen..
A suitable analogy would be. During the Falklands war a Brit with Argentine ancestors went over and enlisted in the Argie army and attacked the British troops on the Islands.
They are fighting against their own country. These people are British and they are signing on with an army currently at war with Britain..Thats taking up arms against your own country which is treasonous.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
But now the situation is intolerable a war with little evidence carried out on a population with nothing.
Mohammed Atta lived for 9 years in Germany and 2 years in the US and probably never went to Afghanistan like most of the hijackers whoever they are.
There is sufficent evidence, it just hasnt been shown to us. The evidence has been shown to all the major powers and everyone has deemed it valid enough to stand up in court. Hell even Pakistan acknowledge the evidence is sufficent. The bombing isnt being carried out on a population. Its being carried out on the Taliban military machine. The evidence is nothing more than circumstantial but it would be sufficent to get Bin Laden into court. The Taliban wont give him up so they become a target.
Self determination has bollock all to do with anything. Nobody was trying to impose outside influence on Afghanistan before the WTC.
Atta was Egyptian and you may be right and he might not have ever been to Afghanistan but thats totally irrelevant..I doubt Hitler ever visited North africa but we still attacked the area in WW2. Atta was a member of Al Queda which is currently being protected by the taliban..Where they have been in the past has no bearing.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
As far as I know, the death senstence still exists on paper for treson and arson in HM dockyards, and also on some of the islands (e.g. Isle of Man).
Is this another counterexample to the assertion of "inalienable human rights," I wonder?
You're damn right we need a rational code of morality and ethics. But not much progress can be made in that direction while we've still got a majority ranting about gods, devils, souls, and absolute morality, and using an ancient book written by ignorant nomads as a guide.
This whole thing could turn extremely messy-its messy enough as it is with mass starvation already happening because of US bombing.
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And with that I get promoted! Woo-hoo! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
Yup its a lot of them. I believe its only a few hundred from the UK at the moment. 10,000 untrained muslims isnt a very big problem. They will be dead soon enough..good riddance.
You dont think the 3 year drought might have something to do with the starvation? There were millions of people starving well before the WTC attacks. The USA has done more to aid the hunger efforts in Afghanistan than any other nation on EARTH. To say that the bombing has caused mass starvation is just a downright lie.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
To be honest I hope they all become martyrs and their families are deported for harbouring terrorists.
peacechild
Peace through superior firepower
Im pretty sure you can pick up job seekers allowance at the Pakistan branch of the post office <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO .......sucking in wind.......LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
peacechild
Peace through superior firepower
As for people mentioning the death penalty for treason, I'm afraid that it went a few years ago. We did this in legal issues last week at uni, and as it stands there is no crime that holds the death penalty. However the penalty for treason is life imprisonment without appeal or parole. The same as terrorism, there is no maximum sentence.
I hope though, that the bastards never make it back.
These people have entered this country and instead of trying to better themselves and become black British they have imported their third world culture of poverty and intolerance, turning once affluent areas of British Towns into Shit Holes forcing the indigenous population to run for the suburbs. They take everything and offer nothing. Instead of adopting the British way of life, they expect the rest of the population to adopt their's. Left wing do gooders bend over backwards to accommodate them, with Mosques, Islamic Schools, Halal butchers and all the other bollox.
To understand why this is so you need to understand a bit about Islam. There are no Islamic democracies as democracy is against Islam. Islamic countries are either Military Dictatorships (Pakistan, Iraq) or worse Religious Dictatorships (Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia etc.) To a Moslem politics and Religion is the same thing and a politician cannot challenge the laws of Allah. Moslems see themselves as Moslems and not as inhabitants of a particular state. That is why the great majority of Moslems living in the UK support Bin Larden and the Talaban, as they are Moslems fighting the infidels. Hundreds have already left to fight for him and ten of thousands would go if they were able to get out there. I believe that the government should charter a fleet of 747’s and fly these people out to Islamabad. The cost of their flight would be the surrender of their passports. They wont need them in the near future anyway. Their relatives and dependents should also not be allowed any benefits and their names and addresses should be made public so that the rest of the UK population can abuse them.
Tony Blair is always keen to say that this is not a war against Islam. He also says that Islam is a wonderful religion of peace. Tony Blair is a liar. He should read his Koran and he would then know that Islam is an intolerant religion bent on the destruction of all others that is not Islamic. He should talk to people living in Israel, India, Russia, China, The Philippines and most of Central Africa about how peaceful Islam is. This war will also expand to become a war against Islam, but it wont be just fought be the west, all the non Islamic countries of the world will come together to destroy Islam.
Don't let Desel catch you saying that. Arguing against the right to bear arms being the root of demcoracy. tut tut. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">
to "probably" warrant an indictment
Is that the official word of the Pakistanis? Probably = Most likely which is fine with me..If a govt with obvious ties to the Taliban says its 'probably' enough to indict then I wonder what a neutral country would say...Oh wait, the whole of NATO also agreed that it was sufficent evidence.
Remember that all this shit is happening because the Taliban refused to hand him over to the US..If they had done they he would have had a massively publicised trial in front of the entire world. The US would have to produce the evidence if he had gotten as far as a courtroom...Now that the Taliban have refused to turn him over its more than likely that he will be killed.
Id rather see him facing trial and then being executed.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
If Bin Laden wanted to live he would simply hand himself over to European troops. Under EU law the bastard could not be extradited to a country with the death penalty (USA). It is apparently one of Bush's biggest fears that he is caught alive, because he knows there must be thousands of hotshot lawyers who would,try to get him released.
Anyway, this is OFF topic! We're talking about what traitorous bastards the people who have gone to fight for the Taliban are. I feel that their actions are inexcusable, and that they should be taken out with extreme prejudice.
Agreed...The government should also get its head out of its arse and get rid of those bastard muslim clerics in London who are recruiting these people. These people are allowed to spew their hate and recruit impressionable kids. I dont think we would have allowed the SS to recruit openly in London back in 1939 and yet we allow these extremist arab groups...sickening
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
Sickening indeed. But it took us a while to outlaw the British Union of Fascists, didn't it?
You're damn right we need a rational code of morality and ethics. But not much progress can be made in that direction while we've still got a majority ranting about gods, devils, souls, and absolute morality, and using an ancient book written by ignorant nomads as a guide.
Theres a difference between holding roughly the same ideals as those your govt is at war with and actively recruiting soldiers for the war against your own country.
The fascists have the right to their opinion as do these arabs but recruiting soldiers and saying the PM and his home are valid targets for bombs is just way out of order.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
I live just down the road from Finsbury Park Mosque in London where Abu Hamza ,perhaps the most famous radical Muslim cleric in the UK ,goes to preach.Hes the guy with an eye patch and 2 hooks instead of hands-acquired in Afghanistan in the 80S
He has minimal support and the Mosque elders have been waging a legal battle to get him kicked out for years.
The figure of 200 sounds a bit high -whats the source of this info?
What perhaps might be more interesting is the number of Afican-American muslims currently in Afghanistan with OBL.
Ive read there were definitely some with him when he was in Sudan.When was the last time US citizens fought on opposing sides?
The simple fact is that these people probably feel ashamed to consider themselves British because their so called government is bombing a mickey mouse Islamic government that has less military capability than luxembourg.
Do you think they really give a fuck what the UK government would have to say about it... I doubt it.
The main group responsible for recruiting here in the UK is Al-muhajiroun. I believe that Abu Hamza chap is a member of this group. There have been dozens of articles over the past month featuring interviews with the members and leaders of this group. Living so close im sure you know their views. You are, of course right in saying that they have tiny support within the main Islamic community but that doesnt matter. Even if they recruited just one impressionable muslim and sent him over to afghanistan then they should be removed. The figure of 200 was taken from the papers and BBC/Channel4 news earlier this week.
Bookere,
If they feel ashamed to be British then they should fuck off our Island. Do they give a fuck about what our govt say? Probably not and who cares...They will care what our soldiers have to say when they meet them on the moutains of Afghanistan.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
Just as out of order as our asking the Afghans (esp. the Northern Alliance) to rise up against the Taleban and their government officials?
You're damn right we need a rational code of morality and ethics. But not much progress can be made in that direction while we've still got a majority ranting about gods, devils, souls, and absolute morality, and using an ancient book written by ignorant nomads as a guide.
Our government is a democratically elected body representative of the people. TB may be acting like a dictator and may wish he was the all powerful man-god he dreams he is but it will never be the case.
Of course its not even comparable. There are no Brits currently living under asylum laws in Afghanistan calling for the Afghan people to go to war with the Taliban..Wanna guess how long such a person would remain attched to his limbs?