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An Open Letter To Islam
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An open letter to a terrorist:
Well, you hit the World Trade Center, but you missed America. You hit the Pentagon, but you missed America. You used helpless American bodies, to take out other American bodies, but like a poor marksman, you STILL missed America.
Why? Because of something you guys will never understand. America isn't about a building or two, not about financial centers, not about military centers, America isn't about a place, America isn't even about a bunch of bodies.
America is about an IDEA. An idea, that you can go someplace where you can earn as much as you can figure out how to, live for the most part, like you envisioned living, and pursue Happiness. (No guarantees that you'll reach it, but you can sure try!)
Go ahead and whine your terrorist whine, and chant your terrorist litany: "If you can not see my point, then feel my pain." This concept is alien to Americans. We live in a country where we don't have to see your point. But you're free to have one. We don't have to listen to your speech. But you're free to say one. Don't know where you got the strange idea that everyone has to agree with you.
There's a spirit that tends to take over people who come to this country, looking for opportunity, looking for liberty, looking for freedom. Even if they misuse it.
You guys seem to be incapable of understanding that we don't live in America, America lives in US! American Spirit is what it's called. And killing a few thousand of us, or a few million of us, won't change it. Most of the time, it's a pretty happy-go-lucky kind of Spirit. Until we're crossed in a cowardly manner, then it becomes an entirely different kind of Spirit.
Wait until you see what we do with that Spirit, this time.
Sleep tight, if you can. We're coming.
Diesel
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"An open letter to islam"
By this you are inferring that this atrocity was visited on you by the entire muslim faith. The Quran is a peaceful text, it does not call for war. I'm paraphrasing here but I believe the prophet Mohammed said.
"To take a way one life is to take away the life of all humanity, to save one life is to save the life of all humanity"
Please don't use the terms 'terrorist' and 'Islam' indiscriminately, it will only make matters worse.
I know that Loyalist terrorists are just as bad and I condemn their activities just as much. In fact I think that all terrorists should be shot.
So spare a thought for all the thousands of innocent men women and children who have been killed, maimed or lost friends and relatives IRA terrorism or have been shot or maimed in their so called punishment beatings.
[This message has been edited by Steelgate (edited 14-09-2001).]
Thats crap..Have you actually read it? Its no more peaceful than the bible is.
You obviuosly haven't read it if you believe that.
I'll die before I surrender.
We all have the right to our own opinions but that is what they should be. Not shoved in someone elses faces in the attempt to stir bad feelings or make others understand. The government of America will deal with this how they deam fit when the time is right in the mean time people have died in this tragedy, that is the main concern. They deserve our thoughts and prayers as united people, not bickering. A few days ago people were trapped in a burning building, waiting to die, considering the options of death 'do i jump or burn?' Can you imagine how terrifying that must have been for them? My friends brother died in those towers and I cried when I saw the picture of a little girl only 4 years of age who was killed. 4 YEARS OLD.
You may think that retaliation is the best method but once we have retaliated where do we go from there? Do you think life will go back to normal for everyone? No, more deaths and bombs and tragedies will happen. Until the gocernment decide what they will do I am too busy thinking of those who had their lives taken from them. You should do the same.
We must remember that it is not ALL Muslims who attacked the USA..It was a bunch of people who call themselves Muslim..If they were truly Muslims then they wouldnt have done what they did. These people are an abomination to the Islam faith and arent worthy to use that name.
In every religion there are zealots or fanatics. These people cannot and must not be used as an example of all the members of that religion. I've already read several stories of Muslims being attacked over in the states. I dont know if we have had any incidents here in the UK but I sure hope we dont.
Quran 2:190
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
Quran 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
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Quran 2.91
And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
Quran 3:12
Say to those who disbelieve: You shall be vanquished, and driven together to hell; and evil is the resting-place.
Quran 3:131
And guard yourselves against the fire which has been prepared for the unbelievers
Quran 3:165
What! when a misfortune befell you, and you had certainly afflicted (the unbelievers) with twice as much, you began to say: Whence is this? Say: It is from yourselves; surely Allah has power over all things.
Quran 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
Quran 8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
Quran 8:65
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.
Quran 18:100
And We will bring forth hell, exposed to view, on that day before the unbelievers.
Quran 25:36
Then We said: Go you both to the people who rejected Our communications; so We destroyed them with utter destruction
Quran 25:52
So do not follow the unbelievers, and strive against them a mighty striving with it.
No the American way is "If you can not see my point then I will either use the CIA to subvert you government, try to bankrupt you financially or bomb the shit out of you"
Diesel, the US is not perfect. Regardless of the right or wrongs (well wrongs) of this attack, the perps were motivated by US foreign policy which appears to be anti-islam. Your very approach (and that of the muslim baiters seen recently) only confirms that suspicion. It wasn't Islam which declared war on you (it's a religion FFS), but extreemist followers - just as some of your own extreemists bombed Oklahoma.
I utterly disagree with your titling of this thread as "An Open Letter to Islam", but think that the sentence I have quoted is a wonderful way of putting it. If that's your own phrase, it deserves to get in a dictionary of quotations. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
I agree that Islam is not the enemy here: the enemy is religous extremism of all kinds. Twenty years ago there wasn't a single religon-based terrorist group in the world; now they constitute 90% of the total. To defeat that kind of enemy, we have to fight with education more than bombs and bullets.
Its not fucking Islam you gimp but a group of extremists armed and funded by YOUR government.
Wake up and smell the coffee as im sure you would say.
Saying its Islam is like blaming me for the Oklahoma bombing because im white.
America should think long and hard before any retaliation.Its not going to make things better.
Further, if the quran is 'only' a holy book then Mein Kampf is a prayer book because there is less violence in the latter than the former...in the case of islam, if you are not of their faith then you have no right to exist.
I know and have know many muslem people, in their personal lives I find little to fault...in their commitment to islam, well, that is total...making them the ehemey of all who are not of islam.
Smell the COFFEE...what a concept...think I will...just love the stuff, my last sin!
Diesel
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I basically agree with al and Steelgate.... tho I've never read the quoran so I have no opinion there.
America has caused untold amounts of death and destruction in a huge amount of countries. However, acording to all western media, as its america thats doing it, it must be Ok......
A tip...Islam is not a race.
I can safely say that non of the Muslims i know have any kind of desire to see western civilisation wiped from the earth. Most of em just wanna live their life like you and me. There are a few more psychos per capita in Islam but they arent the majority by a long shot.
Remember its not an us and them situation. Muslims are all over the world. There are millions of them in the US and millions here in the UK..They live the same lives as us with some small differences.
Mindless, the word Bigotry works well.
Yes actualy I do know what a jihad is, you obviously don't though. A jihad is not a 'holy war' as some would like to belive, but instead it is a 'fight for justice'. That fight does not have to include war or violence of any kind.
Im afraid it kind of means both. Holy war is exactly what it means. Your definition is somewhat right.
ji·had also je·had (j-häd)
n.
A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
A crusade or struggle: “The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who smoke” (Fortune).
Woah, every English dictionary has mis-translated that word. You sure about that one?
Except perhaps the Black September, Abu Nidal etc. Twenty years ago was 1981 dude, Black September memorably struck at the 1972 Olympics. Or wasn't that religiously motivated?
Diesel
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"If you don't do what we want, we will bobmb you" sounds like terrorism to me.
America has been the world's bully for the last few decades (they call themselves the world's policemen, but we know what american police are like, ask Rodney King)
Our government is going to try to use it to push ID cards through. The americans look like they are going to push encryption control (yes, clipper is back on the agenda). If that works, it might just be G*Ns next.
How so? They are terrorists, just the same. They are funded partly by drugs, anti-west states and of course citizens of the USofA (I suppose the last one IS different).
The only REAL difference is that the IRA have never had the balls to go for such an action. Suicide bombing was never their forte was it, in fact they scream murder everytime one of theirs has been shot.
In spite of the declared 'war on terrorism' I have a cynical streak which says that the US will do sweet fanny adams about the IRA (and other Ireland related terror organisations) because many of their own countrymen support them - see them as freedom fighters (don't they Diesel?). By a strange irony this is EXACTLY how Bin Laden's supporters see his organisation...
By continuing to support the IRA, Diesel just shows what a huge hipocrite he is. Shame.
I assume the USA will give logistical and intelligence support to the S.A.S. to clean up any NorAid Fundraisers.
Issue Letters of Marque. Article II, Section 8, of the Constitution grants Congress the power to "Declare War and Grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal.” It goes without saying that there must be a formal Declaration of War against Moslem Terrorism by Congress. Beyond that, Congress should issue documents of legal permission – "Letters of Marque” – to competent private organizations authorizing them to capture or terminate specific identified MTs.
In other words, there should be an official U.S. government list of MTs who are Wanted Dead or Alive, bounties in the millions of dollars placed on their heads, and private bounty hunters authorized with Letters of Marque to collect the rewards. There are a number of highly professional "risk-management” companies, such as GlobalOperations in Washington, D.C., who are capable of fielding teams of ex-Delta Force and ex-Navy SEAL commandos to perform this task.
Diesel
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