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Miss UK.......... Miss Afghanistan.........
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Miss UK, wearing Jeans and a T shirt
Miss Afghanistan , wearing the heavy smothering burqua as required by the oppressive Taliban regime.
Miss UK is going to University, hoping to
eventually get a Master's degree in Bioethics.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from receiving any education at all, and cannot read or write.
Miss UK has worked in various jobs.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from working.
Miss UK’s father is an engineer. Her mother is a teacher.
Miss Afghanistan's father was shot by a gang of Taliban militants.
Her mother begs for bread scraps since she cannot work or remarry.
Miss UK can sing if she wants and listens to music.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from singing or even listening to music of any kind.
Miss UK can travel anywhere she wants.
Miss Afghanistan cannot leave her house without a male family member, cannot drive, and cannot be out after dark.
Miss UK is an advocate for breast cancer research.
Miss Afghanistan cannot be treated by a male doctor, and for all practical purposes has no access to medical treatment of any kind.
Miss UK can go out with, marry, or divorce anyone she chooses.
Miss Afghanistan will be stoned to death if caught in the company of a male outside of her family. She is likely to be sold into an arranged marriage to a man who already has two wives.
Miss UK wears sunscreen on the beach to keep from burning.
Miss Afghanistan cannot live in a house with windows unless they are painted black. Since she must wear a burqua outside, her pale
translucent skin has not seen a ray of sunlight in years.
Miss Uk could wear a swimming costume I she wanted to.
Miss Afghanistan can be flogged if the holes in the mesh covering her face are too large.
Miss UK will decide how many children, if any, she wants to have.
Miss Afghanistan will be pregnant 3-4 times more often than Miss UK. Unfortunately, her babies are 25 times more likely to die in
the first year. One out of four will not see their 5th birthday.
Miss UK can speak in public.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from speaking in public.
Miss UK is 21. Since the U.K. life expectancy for women is 80, she's still a very young woman.
Miss Afghanistan is also 21. But since the life expectancy for an Afghan woman is 43, next year she will be "over-the-hill." Besides having a shockingly short life expectancy overall, Afghanistan is one
of the only countries in the world in which women have a shorter life expectancy than men.
Miss UK is a beautiful, intelligent woman and everyone knows it.
Miss Afghanistan could be a beautiful, intelligent woman...but nobody
will ever know it.
So which society do you think the majority of people would choose to live in ?
peacechild
Miss Afghanistan , wearing the heavy smothering burqua as required by the oppressive Taliban regime.
Miss UK is going to University, hoping to
eventually get a Master's degree in Bioethics.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from receiving any education at all, and cannot read or write.
Miss UK has worked in various jobs.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from working.
Miss UK’s father is an engineer. Her mother is a teacher.
Miss Afghanistan's father was shot by a gang of Taliban militants.
Her mother begs for bread scraps since she cannot work or remarry.
Miss UK can sing if she wants and listens to music.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from singing or even listening to music of any kind.
Miss UK can travel anywhere she wants.
Miss Afghanistan cannot leave her house without a male family member, cannot drive, and cannot be out after dark.
Miss UK is an advocate for breast cancer research.
Miss Afghanistan cannot be treated by a male doctor, and for all practical purposes has no access to medical treatment of any kind.
Miss UK can go out with, marry, or divorce anyone she chooses.
Miss Afghanistan will be stoned to death if caught in the company of a male outside of her family. She is likely to be sold into an arranged marriage to a man who already has two wives.
Miss UK wears sunscreen on the beach to keep from burning.
Miss Afghanistan cannot live in a house with windows unless they are painted black. Since she must wear a burqua outside, her pale
translucent skin has not seen a ray of sunlight in years.
Miss Uk could wear a swimming costume I she wanted to.
Miss Afghanistan can be flogged if the holes in the mesh covering her face are too large.
Miss UK will decide how many children, if any, she wants to have.
Miss Afghanistan will be pregnant 3-4 times more often than Miss UK. Unfortunately, her babies are 25 times more likely to die in
the first year. One out of four will not see their 5th birthday.
Miss UK can speak in public.
Miss Afghanistan is forbidden from speaking in public.
Miss UK is 21. Since the U.K. life expectancy for women is 80, she's still a very young woman.
Miss Afghanistan is also 21. But since the life expectancy for an Afghan woman is 43, next year she will be "over-the-hill." Besides having a shockingly short life expectancy overall, Afghanistan is one
of the only countries in the world in which women have a shorter life expectancy than men.
Miss UK is a beautiful, intelligent woman and everyone knows it.
Miss Afghanistan could be a beautiful, intelligent woman...but nobody
will ever know it.
So which society do you think the majority of people would choose to live in ?
peacechild
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I find it hilarious seeing all these female Brit muslims protesting about the attacks on the Taliban when if they even spoke out loud back in afghanistan they would be beaten..I hate to think what would happen to them if they had the gaul to protest on the streets.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
Someone was arguing on another thread that we mustnt judge the afghan culture and we must respect their way of life. I think thats crap, the taliban are animals and the culture they impose on the afghan people is total shit.
I dont care what anyone says, our culture is FAR superior to that of afghanistan. Its fine to say that our culture is superior to Britain in the 12th century but its not ok to say its superior to 21st century afghan culture because its not politically correct.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
In that respect i support Blair n Bush in their attempt to get rid of the Taliban.
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It also happens to be completely true in every single way.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
I don't think anybody supports the Taliban regime or the treatment of women in Afghanistan. But, you can not say religous beliefs are wrong or that a culture and way of life should be ended because it seems extreme to you in your sheltered Western life.
I think the treatment is appauling, but not all cultures allow the freedom we are used to. We can not interfere with religous behaviours if that is their way of life. The most we can do is offer some choice to oppresed groups, but this is a difficult thing to do and can turn into war very quickly.
Sorry but nobody has even mentioned religion. You dont believe that the horrific and brutal treatment of women under the taliban should be ended? You think its perfectly ok? Remember that the afghan women do not chose to live this way, they are forced to do so under threat of violence and death. Maybe its just my 'sheltered western life' but I believe that women shouldnt be treated worse than the family dog..I guess you disagree being so enlightened compared to me.
This is very interesting..If something like the Jaguar cult sprung up again in south america. Would you completely support their practices of human sacrifice and the eating of human hearts? Would you not interfere in their religious practices when they made monliths from piled up skulls?
I agree that we shouldnt interfere in consentual religious practices but these people are FORCED to live under the extreme branch of Islam practiced by the taliban. The taliban have only a small amount of public support but they retain power by force of arms.
If I put a gun to your head, forced you to become a jew and marched you down to the docs to get circumcised, would you not want someone to intervene on your behalf? Would you not wish that you werent forced to live under this regime?
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
OK, so which bit of my original post is racist then ??? and which bit is rude ???
the only person to use rude words is you, are you not able to express yourself without swearing ?
peacechild
Believe it or not, there is no excuse for being rude...and in this case rude doesn't cover it...the barqua does...and a good thing too if you aren't the raving beauty of your 'pueblo' and haven't any teeth left...! I digress.
Truth is not rude...but education to a subject or people can be critical if the custom is so bizarre as to be barbaric...such as female circumcision, etc...oops! they left that part out.
Guess I'm just not a pc, tolerant, or a multiculturalist...just a cranky ol man that tires of the pathetic bs of some of these unmentionable cretins who insist that we must be like them because we allowed them to join us, US! Take your pick.
Droping hand crank radios on these poor people is probably one of the more clever things US has done during the execution of this war...clever indeed!
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Balddog, can you read? I don't support the extreme Islam (Taliban) treatment of women. But these women are Muslims. All I'm saying is destroying a religous culture will lead us to a war. Jesus, I was agreeing with your own earlier statement that cultures have to be respected! Buy a Speak and Spell, numb-nuts. Oh, and human hearts are tasty! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
They were muslims before the taliban so why would they not be muslims after the taliban? Nobody mentioned religion except you. The taliban impose their version of Islam on the people..Nobody wants to stop them worshipping allah 5 times a day. Removing the taliban does NOT mean removing Islam.
Hmm and you ask if I can read? I suggest you look back over my first posts and see how I explained that I was being sarcastic.
Well done. That makes your argument so much stronger.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
I consider that rude.
Firstly if you were an afghan women you wouldnt even be able to read, let alone have access to any kind of media.
Secondly, how can you presume to know what an afghan women thinks? The MAJORITY of afghans HATE the way they are FORCED to live by the taliban. You think the women like the way they are treated? You think they wouldnt rather live the way they used to before the taliban came?
Exactly, and thats what we are changing by getting rid of the taliban. I find it impossible to comprehend that you cannot say that our way of life is better than theirs. It is so obviously the case. The level of political correctness in you is shocking. That you can actually say, with a straight face, that their lives are as good as ours is a joke.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
and as BD said so you know what afghan women think..not
By our culuture's standards, our culture is better than theirs. Is that surprising?
Ms Afghanistan wearing a smart, hardwearing burqua. Ms US wearing a T-shirt, already pulling at the neck seams and trainers stiched in a sweatshop whose badge earns more per shoe than the worker takes home Ms Afghanistan knows what she needs for her life, Ms US has wasted years of her and her tutors' time earning qualifications that she probably won't use in her short career before getting married and giving up work. Ms Afghanistan doesn't work, her male relatives take care of her. Ms US has taken jobs from men, typically working more unsociable, longer hours for less pay. Ms Aghanistan's father works hard on his farm, when the weather is okay he provides for his young sons and the women of the household.
Ms US's father is a Provident Shopping Vouchers Agent. He knows to target the poorer areas of his patch. Her mother prostitutes herself to pay for life's important extras. They both pressure her to get a part-time job, because they'd like a little house-keeping from her Ms Afganistan isn't bothered by tunes that get stuck in her head, and is free to listen to the beauty of nature.
Ms US often inflicts upon the world a high pitched, nasal, whining mumble, notionally in time and tune to the tssk tssk that comes from her "personal" headphones Ms Afghanistan knows she is safe from interferance, and never has to face taking a chance with her safety.
Ms US lives with the daily fear of rape and harassment, but can't do much to avoid it without losing face amongst her peers. Ms US is a test subject for skin cancer research, and is involved in a legal action against a doctor for his unusual methods for obtaining cervical smears. Ms Afghanistans parents will find a husband for her, with luck he will already be married and she will have ready sources of advice for dealing with him and his house.
Ms US will probably make several failed marriages, each probably based on some fluctuation of hormones followed by twice as long trying to bring the magic back. Unless she is lucky, she will have brought some young into the world to share the misery. Her parents are itching to say "we told you so". Ms Afghanistan has beautiful, pale, almost translucent skin unsullied by the harsh sun's rays. She has truely saved herself - only her familly has seen any of her, and only her husband has seen most of her.
Ms US's skin has aged under the destructive sun, the elasticity destroyed she turns to ever newer and more high-tech cosmetics to hide the wrinkles, the animal testing a worthy sacrafice if it regains her youth. the genetic damage is accumulating, soon the roll of the dice will come up snake-eyed. Ms Afghanistan doesn't have to worry about what to wear, doesnt spend hours per week applying chemicals to her skin and face to make herself look bruised, to be considered attractive, and hence important, by strangers she might meet.
Ms US is trying to get a third job to help pay for the latest season's fashions, knowing they will be out-of-date in months. She is faed with unbearable angst as the cut of jeans this year makes her bum look big Ms Afghanistan's babies tend to grow into sturdy children, or not at all. The risk of a babes death heightens moment, she showers her affection on her young, never expecting the baby to become a child.
Ms US is wondering if she should have a child, aborting those that won't have the right blood type to be a donor for its older brother - the one she had when her husband thought she was safe and caused the divorce - the opposite reason for having him Ms Afghanistan's life is free from pointless chatter. At 21 Ms Afghanistan is a woman, she has her place in the power structure of her world. The new wife looks to her for guidence. She will be in her prime for most of the rest of her life.
Ms US at 21 is still a girl. Few take her seriously. She looks forward to spending a third of the rest of her life a widow, and half of her time replacing, filling in for, or learning to do without increasing parts of of her body. Ms Afghanistan is a beautiful, intelligent woman, and everyone who out to know knows it.
Ms US has to spend the rest of her life convincing everyone that she was a beautiful girl, for what else do they judge her by?
Its a good job youre in no position of power or we would live in a world that looks like Afgan, stone age, only hope is religion and terrorism the only way to get attention.
BTW you didn't answer the questions properly about the women being stoned to death. You just told how great arranged marriages were.
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Firstly, It was Miss UK in the piece, interesting how you changed it. We arent talking about US culture but you had to make your points so you changed it <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
Secondly, Its a very imaginative piece you wrote but its all extremes. The things you detailed dont happen to all, or even most US women but just a minority. The things detailed about the Afghan women happen to ALL of them and everyone one is fully accurate and not a sterotype as you said. These are well known laws passed and publicised by the Taliban regime.
Thirdly, and most importantly..The US women have the CHOICE to do the things you detailed, good or bad. The Afghan women are FORCED on pain of beatings or death to do everything listed.
You people argue so vehemently for the validity of the Taliban culture but didnt you think for a moment that the majority of Afghans HATE THE TALIBAN AND ALL THEY STAND FOR..If the taliban were supported by even a quarter of the population then you might have a point..Theyre not so you dont.
You are arguing for something that even the people who are living it, HATE. If people like you would just open their eyes and realise what a hellhole these people live in under the taliban then we might be able to do something.
Can I ask your opinion of Hitler and his nazi regime? The horrific treatment of Jews, gays, gypsies etc was all part of that culture. Should it have been respected? After all many more German people supported nazism than Afghans support the taliban.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
This made me laugh the most, you are completely contradicting yourself, if the adults are so "sturdy" why is it they die at the age of 40?
As for Nazism, it's worth bearing in mind that the Nazi's were democratically elected, the Taliban were not.
And I agree, our way of life is better than theirs, but its also generally considered better than a cripples, but if i posted saying
"Mr Normal enjoys life to the max, by being able to use his fully functioning limbs to get around, Mr cripple can't do a lot of the same things. Cripples lead shitter lives than us."
I would probably be called rude and insensitive. Its the same premise though.
every one?
And do these laws apply to all Afghanistan, or only the Taliban controlled areas?
The stereotype I was refering to was the rather rose tinted Miss UK.
No, the US women are FORCED by peer pressure, the Afghan women CHOOSE to comply in preference to the beatings. Or not - many of them are braver than I fear I would be We certainly ought to be helping oppressed people gain assylum from systems such as the Taliban, but the UN charter rightly prevents us from interfering in the internal affairs of other country. Unfortunately, many of the principles brought up in the initial discourse apply to other Islamic states, where they are supported by the population. Islamic countries have a distressing tendancy to vote democracy away. I dislike the principles of nationalist socialism, I consider Hitler's regime to have been repugnant. The actions of the regime were not part of the Germanic culture, and we should have done more to have helped those who needed protection from democracy gone bad. We should not have appeased the Nazis, and should have responded to the first annexation. We must bear some of the blame - for treating Germans so badly after the Great War, giving them an environment in which facism flourished.
now you're just trying to bait me...
I find it entirely indefensible. Ask someone who supports the death penalty (most Americans, a lot of the English).
they apparently have a lot going for them. I'm glad that I'm not expected to be involved in one.
Oh dear me...Im sorry but this is just beyond a joke.
Im sorry but nazism was a massive part of german culture at the time. It dictated how they lived their day to day lives.
So why is it ok to attack the Germans when its not ok to attack the Taliban?
Totally agree with you on that one.
Carriage..I honestly cannot believe you are arguing this point. That you cannot see how horrific this regime is and how you defend its right to exist is completely beyond me. Even though around 80% of the Afghans want rid of the Taliban you still cant bring yourself to support getting rid of them?
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
I also remember the way we pissed about with the Kurds and Iraq, goig part way to supporting a revolution, then backing off and leaving them stranded. The last thing the Afghans need is to be left with an even more extreme Taliban
I still have a deep and unpleasant feeling that AQ may have been aided by the American state turning a blind eye so they could have an attack to lead to a mini war, expecting to lose a couple of plane loads of passengers.
Both people make their choices, and both people find themselves subject to some very powerful factors. The afghans find themselves under overt and direct physical threat, we face much pressure far more subtle. If I'm going to be constrained I'd far rather it were by the former Some Afghan women run underground schools and beauty parlours. Even threat of death can't force a people, only persuade most.
Look at this! How can you insinuate that a person can not presume to know what an Afghan women thinks, Balddog, and then state yourself the feelings of an Afghan women?
Don't pretend that you know anything about the lives of these people, you don't know anything more than Mindless all the Way. It was only stated that the topic is offensive, which it obviously is for some people.
Feelings dont come into it..Its a stone cold FACT that the taliban have less than 30% support from the population at large.
Never have done.
"Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero