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WHAT!!! - it can't be!
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US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said Iraq may have destroyed its weapons of mass destruction before the US went to war against Saddam Hussein in March.
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So we went to war why?
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So we went to war why?
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To stop the rape of women and the torture of men, women and children? Naw. Why would the peace movement care about that?
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised"
!!! NO DOUBT?
Now you KNOW that aint the whole truth!!
wow i guess the US will be busy then huh? because Iraq aint the worst place that those things you speak of take place
Meant to add....Should they perhaps be talking to eachother before making statements to the press?
Oh, I know BYNY. And I think the peace people on the site and everywhere do care about people. But it's hard to figure out all of the consequences of actions. And the fact is that if the UN was still just trying to impose sanctions on Saddam...people would still be being tortured. And at least the war did stop that.
And thousands of people would still be alive, we have done this weighing before, it is impossible..........:(
That's at least 20 years worth of hard killing by Saddam. But hey, we now have total control of the oil, so what are 100,000 lives? Plenty more where they came from!
That seems somewhat exxagerated, I thought the figure was about 5,000!
Where did you hear that?
War sucks. I agree.
Tyranny does too.
100,000 may be a bit high...maybe. But on US news stations they did report on kill zones. For instance, in a desert in south central Iraq, the US military tried to get Iraqis to surrender, they wouldn't, so the military mapped out this area for a plane nick-named the wharthog to fly over. It's wings have a type of automatic weapon every few feet. (Maybe one meter apart.) It sprays bullets over an entire area every few inches. Every Iraqi soldier in that kill zone was killed. And in minutes.
It says Rumsfield was speaking at a foreign affairs think-tank in New York when he came up with it.
even now it's obvious... thre were no WMD...pnj ...you are still supporting bush! he fucking lied and lied and lied to you ...we kept telling you ...but a dictator has fallen so it doesn't matter you were ripped off ...for fucks sake how much more is he ripping you off? when will you stop buying off a dealer who is selling you shit?
the next kind of country we should save is one thats building death chambers in prison camps where soldiers and farmers and taxi drivers are being executed without trial. without legal representation. without jury. against international law. against ...the ...law! so who's up for invading america then?
pnj ...your president may want to attack another country soon ...
are you now going to question the 'facts' or continue blindly along?
Far easier for them to simply slide on into the myopic belief that some substantial victory has been achieved over the vague notion of global evil, further ignoring the numerous other equally heinous (if not worse) evils being perpetrated directly or supported indirectly abroad by those same leaders.
Exercising their civic duty to hold such leaders accountable requires too much effort for the average flag waving "patriot" who is by and large politically apathetic at best. Equally as easy to subsequently villify or label as treasonous those few who do demand greater public oversight of the actions of those elected to serve the public interest.
And of course don't think for a second that such myopia isnt both welcomed and to a greater extent promoted by an increasingly elitest class of career politicians and their corporate bedfellows.
I saw a good discussion with a bloke on TV earlier who said that the person who is going to be most shamed by this inability to discover Weapons is Blair as he led soldiers into this war telling them that their mission was to find and destroy Weapons of Mass Destruction. I am sure that many of those men who went out to do this will want an explanation!
He also said that the American public won't let this inconsistency bother them as they are happy to swallow the torture chambers and mass graves discovered retrospectively (but which were created beforehand) as enough of a justification for the war, despite the fact that these things were never really up there at the top of the list of reasons for 'liberation'
Now we have had Jack Straw first saying that WMDs "probably won't be found, but it doesn't really matter" and Rumsfiled now stating that "we might never find WMDs, perhaps because Saddam destroyed them before the war."
So there you have it. A totally illegal, unjustified pre-emptive attack based on lies and deception. With the only objective of installing a puppet regime in Iraq and controlling its oil revenues.
Can people see now why the mad murdering Texan and his pathetic poodle were so anxious to get the UN inspectors out? The reason inspectors found no weapons in the time they spent there is because there were fuck all weapons. And had they been allowed to carry their job in full, they would have stated that Iraq was now free of WMDs, thus eliminating the last excuse for this war of conquest and imperialism.
Like Simbelyne, I can't resist either to tell you: I told you so. We told you so!
I hope the warmongers do the decent thing now and finally confront the war criminals who started all this.
Complicity doesn't even enter into the all but braindead thought processes of the typical flag waving dolt. If it did by some miracle, Rumsfeld and Cheney (for starters) wouldn't even have time to pack their bags before the axe fell!
As an 'anti-war liberal' I dont feel any triumph in hearing there are no wmd's only sadness and anger. I just wish I had protested more.