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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog, I doubt you have enough experience of communism to validate your bizarre comparison with the NHS. And we have a very good private health system to accommodate those who wish to pay their way.

    Considering we spend less per capita on healthcare than just about every other developed nation on the planet, the NHS isn't doing so bad. Either you pay more tax to improve the NHS, or you make up the difference by paying into a health insurance policy which will allow you to bypass the NHS and go private.

    [ebenEzer bad - if we were to join the USA, it would make us the 51st not the 53rd state. There are only 50 at the moment despite there being 52 stars on the flag]

    And we already have several official alliances with the US, including NATO and the UN. The British are a proud nation and I doubt many would support full integration with America. There's no need for it (at present).
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish,

    I have no experience with communism but I know that its something that sounds good in theory but doesnt work in practice. Thats not a bizarre comparison.

    So now its only 'not doing so bad'...I thought it was the envy of the world..Must be like our railways then..Envy? maybe 100 years ago.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NHS the envy, hmmm. I believe it was stated best in '94 by Sen. Dole, on Klintons "free" healthcare plan,"...that's great, and have our healthcare as f@cked up as the British..." Klinton almost lost the next election because of that idea. In the US we have HMO's, which are big groups of hospitals all under the same ownership. We have several that compete with eachother. And they provide cheap healthcare. But that is what it is, cheap. The quality is lower that even that of the military. And if you are lucky enough to still have truley private healthcare you would understand how much better it is than either an HMO or Government Health care.

    The US alliance with the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand is already being talked about a little over hear. Not wide spread on public domains, but it is being discussed. For one thing we already all have very tight nit intellegance organizations, and if the UK fell to the EU there would be some compromises to that intel. Anyway I got to run. I have a guard duty today. Chat with you all later.

    Thanatos-jr
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Kentish,

    I have no experience with communism but I know that its something that sounds good in theory but doesnt work in practice. Thats not a bizarre comparison.
    Well we agree on that. But although I accept that the NHS is not perfect, it is not as bad as the mass media likes to tell us. The principle of free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare is what people are envious of. In America there is a huge gulf between the rich and the poor in terms of healthcare. At least with the NHS there is a certain amount of uniformity ('postcode lottery' excepted)

    So now its only 'not doing so bad'...I thought it was the envy of the world..Must be like our railways then..Envy? maybe 100 years ago.

    I never even started on the railways! Don't compare the two. We have seen what privatisation has done to our rail network. Lets learn some lessons for the NHS.

    Really we need my chum Man of Kent for an insiders view of the NHS. It's all well and good arguing about principles and realities, and politics, but what we need is a man at the frontline to offer an opinion...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Chum?

    I've said it before and I'll repeat. The NHS gets a bad press from the mess media (no that isn't a typo). They search for the bad stories and then exaggerate them - I've seen it with my own NHS Trust.

    Let me trot out some examples - everyday, in my trust, we see 1,500 as outpatients, 500 in A&E, and operate on several hundred more. EVERYDAY, based on 365 per year. That's one trust. This in a crisis organisation.

    Yes there are problems, but the press are only interested in emphasising the bad points of anything - as are the opposition parties (and this applies in all Govts not just the present one).

    But this thread wasn;t about the NHS, it was about the euro/£/$.

    I am REALLY skeptical about the euro. I just don't trust our European neighbours and wish that fate had smiled on us a little more and not left us next to the backstabbing socialists over the channel.

    I loike our independant staus, but if we have to ally for economic reasons, I'd rather it was with the US because at least they are better political allies.

    Funny how our european 'friends' manage to fuck us over as often as they can...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    Chum?

    Sorry, I left out the 'p'.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish Man:
    Sorry, I left out the 'p'.

    Hell, call me what you like but at least I live on the right side of the Medway.

    If ever the country needs an enema, then North Kent is the natural destination... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You may live on the right side, but I live on the correct side.
    *moons in general direction of East Kent*
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