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BillieTheBot
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O.k so perhaps the majority aren't in favour of the euro, i'm still undecided, however what if an alternative of joining the dollar were laid in front of us ? straight choice dollar/euro ? which would it be ? presume the pound is no more for the purposes of this thread
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I think your question is a little odd because if the pound is gone and we have to choose betweek the dollar and euro we would also be in a position of having lost all national sovereignty..We would be either an American or a European state..Id rather be American than some kind of pseudo European socialist.
The Euro is going to fall soon. Nobody likes it. I believe the majority of people even in Germany dont want the Euro now. Of course Blair wants to make a name for himself so he is going to push us into the Euro whether we want it or not.
Pound first, then dollar and id rather use bloody Afghanis for currency than Euros.
Whatever you call it, the bastards will find a way of relieving you of most of it through taxation!!
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And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see"
- John Lennon "Working Class Hero"
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drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
Ten years down the line there will be no EU to speak of. We will either be a more powerful Britain or we will be an American state.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
You say they are united but its not really the case. There is a lot of division between nations. Maybe not at government level but certainly between people. The people of Europe dont want one superstate, they dont want to lose their countries. Obscure political parties that give an alternative are gaining support throughout Europe. The popularity of the BNP here in the UK isnt an isolated incident. Neo-nazi/communist/extremist groups are gaining popularity all over the place.
Europe isnt as united as our govts would have us believe. I post on an awful lot of message boards and ive read peoples views.
Cool, does this mean that we get to wipe out the French? Or will we have to fight the Germans again while the French collaborate?
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Reminds me of a joke:
Englishman, Scotsman and Frenchman stumble across a magic lamp. The genie appears and say "As there are three of you, you can have one wish each."
The scotsman goes first as asks for a lifetime supply of single malt from the finest distillery. The genie waves his hand and a bottle appears in the scotsman's hand. "No matter how much you drink," says the genie "the bottle will never be enpty.
The scotsman walks off a happy man and minutes later is lying pissed under the nearest tree...
The french dude goes next. "I hate the english, and every other nation which borders us" he says "I want a wall, which goes all around my country, so that no-one may enter and spoil ma belle france. It should be twenty feet high to stop people climbing in"
The genie waves his hand and says "it is done"
He then turns to the englishman and asks what his wish will be.
The englishman stops to think. "The bottle that you gave the scotsman. It will never be empty, is that right?" he asks. The genie confirms that this is correct.
"and this wall goes all around france, and is twenty feet high. No man can enter and none can leave. is that right?"
Again the genie says that it is so.
"Good," says the englishman "fill it with shit"
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I thank you...
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"Keep you doped on religion and sex and t.v.
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see"
- John Lennon "Working Class Hero"
http://www.faceparty.com/manofkent
And who would win?!?!?
Europe has been in an almost constant state of war for the past 5000 years. Weve had 50 odd years of peace here in western europe and suddenly its world peace and love for all? I dont see it happening. People havent evolved as much as we would like to think.
I think we will probably be forced further into the EU superstate. The organisation is already starting to show just how autocratic and authoritarian it is..Illegal to criticise the EU? That was a bad sign if ever i saw one. It wont be state against state it will be a war within and across states.
Maybe i sound like a raving looney but we are talking about Europeans here. We are the masters of war, death and killing.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
Now, have a big toke on this South African drugs-reefer-style spliff doobie.
Thanatos-jr
A Proud American and a US Marine
I can just hear people scrambling to their computers to tell me all the reasons why that isn't possible.
The coming of war though is scary. I havent read 1984, but having read Animal Farm I can guess the kind of things that it is about, under the surface.
The fact that the President of America is a total imbecile and mysogenist also doesn't fill me with an urge to become just another american state, and I disagree with so many of their laws, for example allowing guns, that I would much prefer to stay seperate.
Little Rabbit
It wont be like that in Europe. They are setting up a dictatorship a piece at a time. People wont take notice until its too late.
The choice is either socialist welfare state or democratic meritocracy. I know which one id rather have.
BTW, most of Europe 'allows' guns as well.
If America is a democratic meritocracy, then I'm Abraham Lincoln. While the great majority of Americans are decent hard-working people, whatever ethnic origin they may pertain to, this is a political discussion. As such, look at the politics. The US is an oligarchy without doubt, in which politically at least, the poor get trampled by the rich - look at how much it costs to run an election campaign. I'd prefer the welfare state of a Europe including British ideas to the current US political scene.
An oligarchy? So who are the happy few? Anyone can run for office in the US, they just need a rich sponsor.
Poor get trampled by the rich? More like the shit gets trampled by the talented.
It still holds true that in the USA you will go a long way if you are good at what you do. Unfortunately the USA, at the current time, is also a huge welfare state. The original idea of America was meritocracy and thats how id like to see America.
Government welfare programs are the most oppressive things ive seen in a long time. They turn entire swathes of society into whining little victims who want nothing more than their weekly cheque.
Thin ice...
it's ridiculous how the french have a whole other set of offices built in france just so they can meet there - and the amount of power they have over the EU. the running of the EU is also distinctly undemocratic, with some unaccountable groups of people, the minutes of whose meetings are not available to the public. in short, the EU is dangerous.
The Euro is gonna fall, and fall hard. that piece 'o shite is going down like a brick. i will have no sympathy for the fools who entered into this hair-brained scheme. the last ppl to try anyhting so stupid were the romans - and look what happened to them . .
Because I want more stars.
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route
Just my humble opinion. I have a problem with whiners who expect me to pay their living through my taxes. Sorry if its an unpopular view but I have a thing for personal responsibility.
Its now illegal to display the Union flag on your numberplates but it is legal to display the EU symbol.......
As for the welfare state, despite what everyone says, a lot of places are envious of our healthcare, America being one of them. In America, if you get hit by a car but don't have insurance, you are fucked. In the USA, if you don't have money then nobody gives a shit about you, at least our government at least tries to have our best interests at heart.
You honestly believe we will have any influence on anything if we go further into the EU? It may seem reasonable to some now but thats called marketing...In a few years we will have as much influence on world affairs as Estonia or Latvia.
Despite what youve heard in the media, if you are hit by a car in the USA you will not be left in the street. You will be treated just as speedily as if you had full insurance. You will probably be billed afterwards but you arent 'fucked'.
They also provide something called medicaid for those really in need. Homeless, disabled etc etc. People who actually have a reason for not having health insurance.
You say our govt has our best interests at heart? The NHS isnt a feel good whim given to use by a benevalent govt. We pay for that NHS...The only difference between the USA and UK is that the Americans pay only for their families healthcare where as we pay for each others healthcare here in the UK.
If you aint got no dosh u r!
No you aint. What are they gonna do if you cant pay? Take you to court to make you fork out cash that you dont physically have?
Whowhere,
Yup id much prefer to stay independant myself..Unfortunately our government doesnt agree. Didnt you hear Tony Blair yesterday? "Europe is our destony"
Q - Whats the difference between Tony Blair and God.
A - God doesnt think hes PM of the United Kingdom.
And I side with Whowhere on the Europe/America thing. European integration seems to offer us few benefits, but plenty of beaurocratic, dictatorial rules and regulations that we could do without. And we would be America's poor relations if we sided with them, as well as being hated by the EU.
Ah its the principle which people admire rather than the reality. Well communism is nice in theory but it never works.
out half hearted allegiance to europe is already eroding things that set us aside from others, as is remarked above - how long till we lose our flag, must drive on the other side of the road ? we can't continue our allegiance with europe and expect to keep our independence, the fundamental poilicies of the eu at present won't allow it, now if we say enough is enough and pull out of europe, and don't attempt to form a new one elsewhere we may find ourselves with little say on world affairs, and will suffer economically. Now at least in joining america we would probably be allowed to retain alot of our independence and defining features. Gone are the days of individual country's looking after themselevs and merely interacting with one another, in the modern world with globalisation, it is important to ensure financially you are in a sound sate of affairs, and merging to create super powers seems to be the 'natural' way this is happenng. I also believe an alliance with america wouldn't mean just becoming the 53rd state, we won't let that happen, little brother type of figure maybe, but a very different little brother compared to its elder sibling. The final advantage is 'big brother' would be watching us in any military situation and i'd rather have the usa in my corner than the french ! Maybe australia, canada, new zealand would come in on an atlantic alliance ?
drugs may be the road to nowhere, but at least there the scenic route