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Is the AIDS virus "darwinism" at work?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The number of heterosexual cases has risen from 9% in 1987 to 31% in 1997. Three quarters of these cases were probably acquired abroad.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    OH AND SOMEONE WANTED PROOF

    Total Number of AIDS deaths since the beginning of the epidemic
    Women 9 Million
    Men 8.5 Million
    Children < 15 years 4.3 Million
    Total 21.8 Million

    Worldwide, the HIV risk for women is rising

    More than four-fifths of all infected women get the virus from a male sex partner (heterosexual transmission). The remainder become infected from a blood transfusion or from injecting drugs with a contaminated needle

    AIDS prevention campaigns often fail women by assuming that they are at low risk, or by urging prevention methods that women have little or no power to apply, such as condom use, abstinence and mutual fidelity.

    this info is from -

    http://www.avert.org/globalstats.htm


  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    byny,

    Sorry but what you just posted is nonsense. The argument raging in this thread is whether straights are more likely to get aids today than gays. Your numbers simply show that there are more women with aids than men.
    HIV and AIDS affect homosexual men to a disproportionate degree in the UK and the rest of the developed world. It is currently thought that 61% of all cases of HIV in the UK are among men who became infected through sex with another man (Communicable Disease Report, 1997).

    From your site byny. These numbers sure dont show that straight men are more likely to catch aids than gays.

    Ill still wait for evidence

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    byny,

    Sorry but what you just posted is nonsense. The argument raging in this thread is whether straights are more likely to get aids today than gays.
    I don't think there are many that would argue against that. the argument is wether it is a gay disease.
    These numbers sure dont show that straight men are more likely to catch aids than gays.

    Ill still wait for evidence


    You'll have to wait a long time for that. The figures I have referred to is that over thelast (18,24?) months, the majority of NEW HIV cases has been the result of heterosexual transmission. They are still in the minority of current and all cases.

    3H and GRID were useful identifiers when the outbreak was being identified and investigated, but HIV and AIDS are much better now more is known. To call it a gay disease is inaccurate and potentially harmful; quite beside it usually being a hateful usage.

    The young are most at risk - they beleive that they are safe from all harm. That is why despite good sex education there are so many unwanted young pregnancies.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the argument is wether it is a gay disease.

    Someone stated that straight men were more at risk of contracting HIV/AIDS than gay men. Thats what im arguing about. I think its BS and she still aint proven it.



    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    After seeing the figures for the total numbers of people dead, I think we should look at this problem in a bigger light. Maybe this disease is Darwinism at work, but not to remove the world of gays, to remove the world of people.
    There are many diseases out there that have the potential to become pandemics and wipe out large portions of the population;ebola, bubonic plague and now AIDS. What if this disease is nature's way of saying that the human race has had its day?

    Just because 21 million people have died so far, what's to stop the acceleration of the spread of this disease? It could just as easily mutate and become infectious in any other number of ways.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok - but the reason that there are so many Gay men with AIDS now is because it did spread faster in the early eighties through the gay community because anal sex is a form of sexual intercourse that spreads the disease faster and those men who did not take precautions at the begining are developing full blown AIDS now, making the figures look high, when in fact the Gay community is the most aware community and it is the ones who believe 'I'm safe - I'm not gay or a drug user' who are now most in danger.
    Plus...this thread was started by asking the question is this Darwinism at work against a weaker community (Ie Homosexuals) and was implying that Aids was thrown at the Gay community to get rid of them. As AIDS effects all communities and sexes this statement is rediculous.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Someone stated that straight men were more at risk of contracting HIV/AIDS than gay men. Thats what im arguing about. I think its BS and she still aint proven it

    Anal tissue isn't 'designed' for the rigours sexual intercourse and is more easily damaged, increasing the chances of a direct-to-bloodstream infection.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Heterosexual couples have anal sex too
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    Heterosexual couples have anal sex too

    Yeah, but they dont HAVE to have anal sex do they.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gay people don't HAVE to have anal sex eithr
    infact lot's of Gay men never have anal sex
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Someone stated that straight men were more at risk of contracting HIV/AIDS than gay men. Thats what im arguing about. I think its BS and she still aint proven it.
    No, she said
    In Britain the most likly people to contract it are actualy young heterosexuals
    which is different. saying "A person contracting AIDS in the UK is most likely to be a young heterosexual" IS NOT the same as saying "Young heterosexuals are at greater risk of contracting HIV." Admittedly she used an unclear wording of a statement that is already open to misinterpretation
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    saying "A person contracting AIDS in the UK is most likely to be a young heterosexual" IS NOT the same as saying "Young heterosexuals are at greater risk of contracting HIV." Admittedly she used an unclear wording of a statement that is already open to misinterpretation

    Surely the 'most likely' people to contract aids are also the same people who are at 'greater risk'?..higher risk = more chance of contracting disease.

    Sorry but thats just petty semantics. Both things do mean basically the same thing.

    "Let's roll......" Todd Beamer, American Hero
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    Surely the 'most likely' people to contract aids are also the same people who are at 'greater risk'?..higher risk = more chance of contracting disease.

    Sorry but thats just petty semantics. Both things do mean basically the same thing.

    You are missing an important aspect:
    likelyhood = risk x opportunity
    , you're conflating the individual and the population.


    given an HGV, a hedgehog and a deer on a dark country road, the deer is in far greater danger risk of being killed by the HGV (and you should see the mess when it does happen): "The risk is higher for deer". When you look at the roads, however, you see far more flat hedgehogs: "Hedgehogs are more likely to be flattened". How can this be you ask, and the answer is quite simple - more hedgehogs cross the roads than deer.

    If you want to call this petty semantics then fine; if you want to say "lies, damn lies and statistics," again fine. Just don't expect anyone to provide you with statistics that prove all red things are postboxes.

    It remains true that in the UK, new HIV cases are most likely to be heterosexual and non-IV drug users; they are also most likely to be "young" (I can't remember the exact age group, but it is the usual teenage belief in personal immortality).

    The reason HIVspread quickly in gay communities is far more to do with other factors associated with being gay than the actual sexual practises


  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, this is an interesting topic!!!

    Fisrt of all I must say bezerker you are a wank, will always be a wank and will die a wank!! I feel sorry for the opposite sex that actually sees u as being actractive with that hole you call a mouth and the pish you let come out of it!!! "Play with queers, get HIV" This is my saying then to all women/men "Play with berzerker, he will turn you celibate" and am saying this as you are the first EVER person that I have heard say that!!

    Sorry about that to everyone else but what he said was total shite. Anywho all I wanted to say is that AIDS/HIV is not a gay disease or a straight one or an act of darwin. It is a disease, pure and simple and we can all be affected by it just as easily as the person standing next to you. No one person is more prone to getting it just because he is gay or straight or whatever else, it depends on the individual and his actions alone. It depends on how safe he/she wants to be and how much they value there own life in not wanting to contract the virus. If they dont want it they use protection. Its peoples negligence that puts the virus to work and be able to spread nothing else. But hey in an ideal world everyone would be able to shag who they like as there would be no viruses!!

    Alot of points have been said that I agree with and ones that I dont. What balddog has said is true AIDS/HIV was more common in gays, and some of the gays I know they are keeping that fact going. What other people have said is true about the report saying that young hetrosexuals contracting it more than gays, I also saw the report(I wish I new a place that still had it though so you could see it balddog). Personally I feel all these reports are total shite and all reports should be scraped they are never exzactly true there is awlays a margin of error!! But I think I have insight knowledge of what gays are like(am not saying I know all though)as my own brother is gay and I know alot of his friends. I have asked him how he can do it(up the bomb bay doors)and he said he doesnt do it he has no interest in it, he only does fore play. I feel that alot of people out there automatically think that gays always do anal when it is not the case. But dont get me wrong I know one of his pals and he does do anal and isnt very protective. Also 2 of my bros pals have got AIDS but I also know peepz that have got it and they are straight. Which leads to my point again that is depends on the person alone and there actions alone!!

    The title should be, Is the AIDS virus "peoples negligence" at work?

    Thats me had my splaff on what I feel, if anyone wants to point out anything I have said that they dont agree with, please let me know(except you berzerker, if u have any opinions about me dont bother writing them I couldnt give a rats arse what you think, you have already given me a good impression on what you think and how you act!!) I hope I havent offended anyone in what I have said(except you berzerker). Take care of yourself(yet again except you berzerker!) <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by wuckfit:
    bezerker you are a wank, will always be a wank and will die a wank!!

    i think he's gone. in fact, for quite some time if i remember correkly. was he banned or did he just leave, i dont know? he'll probably piss on my party by posting now <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    Nolite te bastardes carborundorum
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fuck the begrudgers!
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