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Paedophilia

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
The paedophilia issues in this country are disgusting. If I go to pick up my broither from school the teachers and Mothers look at me funny as if i could be stealing him. When every man is suspected of being a deviant there is something wrong in this country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with your example. But I was almost picked up off the Internet. I chatted with someone I thought was a girl. I went to meet her...with my friends thank God...it was a man.

    That's why I'm not allowed in the Sex areas of these boards. That's where the creeps go.:nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
    I agree with your example. But I was almost picked up off the Internet. I chatted with someone I thought was a girl. I went to meet her...with my friends thank God...it was a man.

    That's why I'm not allowed in the Sex areas of these boards. That's where the creeps go.:nervous:

    LOL you're not ALLOWED on the sex boards?:rolleyes: tehheehee

    Yeah, sure there are weirdos on the internet, but be vigilant on the net. Not suspect every male over 14 of being a paedophile/rapist/purvert.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Did you see the brass eye special on paedophilia?

    It was a brilliant piece of satire , and side splittingly funny.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This country does appear to have a nervous, unnatural relationship with children.

    Back in Spain is not uncommon for a stranger to socialise openly with a small kid or even grab him in their arms at a bar or in the park. I don't think anyone would dream of doing such a thing here.

    Brass Eye was indeed a clever programme about the whole thing and those who were offended by it not only missed the point but proved the programme right.This website and the problems its creator had keeping it online (check the link on the left about the Obscene Publications Unit for a full report) also exposes the unhealthy atmosphere regarding child abuse in this country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you have to be careful about having a online journal where you spill out your guts. That's another thing the pervs like.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think its terrible that we live in a society where photographers and newsreaders get questioned for taking pictures of their small kids playing with no clothes on. Unfortunately there is an awful lot on uneccessary suspicion but I guess that because there was a period when the most 'innocent ' of professions (ie the priesthood) were alowed to get away with terrible abuse.

    its better to be safe than sorry but why not get chatting to some of these mothers and explain who you are, then they will probably accept your role as a carer!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    I think its terrible that we live in a society where photographers and newsreaders get questioned for taking pictures of their small kids playing with no clothes on. Unfortunately there is an awful lot on uneccessary suspicion but I guess that because there was a period when the most 'innocent ' of professions (ie the priesthood) were alowed to get away with terrible abuse.

    its better to be safe than sorry but why not get chatting to some of these mothers and explain who you are, then they will probably accept your role as a carer!

    Yeah, I probably should but its a bit hard when 'the sisterhood' look at me like i've got a bottle of whisky in one hand and Pornographers Weekly in the other. I guess next time someone looks at me like that i'll say, 'been reading the mail again have you?'
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I missed Brass Eye - really wish I'd seen it. That website is good, classic quotes:
    "We want the law changed to make it illegal to murder children and bury them in woodland. We want it to be made illegal for adults to work with children." lol.

    Child abuse is a subject that evokes emotion - and undoubtedly it should do - but when it is causing such mob mentality and people being so grossly misinformed they accuse any man near a child and confuse a paediatrician with a paedophile, there is a problem. The media having nothing to do with sensationalism of the issue, of course.

    Did anyone see that programme on the BBC late last year? It followed men being investigated or charged. It was interesting. Some of them evoked a strange kind of sympathy - they had been accessing child porn, but some of them were completely arrogant. There was one who before his trial (he had abused children for years, including his neice) talked to the camera about female circumcision in Africa and how it was an attrocity that shouldn't be happening, but somehow he defended what he had done.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can get the DVD , the whole Brass Eye series plus paedophilia special. Its 20 quid or summit .

    www.amazon.co.uk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Paedophilia
    Originally posted by Simbelyne
    The paedophilia issues in this country are disgusting.

    Id do exactly the same, I would look out for any kid in the playground. If someone who I thought was a stranger was taking a child from the school then id intervene. I would also hope that other people would look out for my Daughter if someone they didnt know came to pick her up.
    We have to look out for the younger generation, there are too many sickos on the loose just waiting to catch their prey.
    Its sad that we have to be really careful, but you really dont know who is a paedophile, even very respectable people can be peadophiles.

    Better be safe than sorry id say :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Paedophilia
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Id do exactly the same, I would look out for any kid in the playground. If someone who I thought was a stranger was taking a child from the school then id intervene. I would also hope that other people would look out for my Daughter if someone they didnt know came to pick her up.
    We have to look out for the younger generation, there are too many sickos on the loose just waiting to catch their prey.
    Its sad that we have to be really careful, but you really dont know who is a paedophile, even very respectable people can be peadophiles.

    Better be safe than sorry id say :)

    How many paedophiles are therte that take children from school playgrounds? Give me a rough estimate across the entire country.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you were looking for a simple risk analysis Simb I would agree with the sentiment, but you are talking about an emotive subject.

    Let's be honest about the chances, i.e. they are slim, but some risks just aren't worth taking. Awareness is the name of the game here. Someone a little "strange" will be watched, especially if they are male. It may be nothing, it may be based on fact, but some risks just aren't worth taking - from a praent's perspective.

    Out of interest, I support Boots move to an extent. There is no reason why people should want pictures of their naked child IMHO, so why take them?

    Besides, who is to say that the person developing your film isn't a paedophile?

    The risks are small I know, but that doesn't mean that I should ignore them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Re: Re: Paedophilia
    Originally posted by Simbelyne
    How many paedophiles are therte that take children from school playgrounds? Give me a rough estimate across the entire country.

    I couldnt possibly give you any figures, but if I saw someone at school be it male or female looking just a touch out of place, or they drewn any kind of attention to themselves then yes I would check that the child actually knows the person picking them up.
    How many times have we heard reports that someone in a blue car has been seen hanging around a school?
    Its the way I am, maybe I do expect the worst to happen, but if a child was snatched from my daughters school and I'd seen a stranger taking them away then I wouldnt be able to sleep, Id be in a mess.
    What you have to understand is I know these kids, my Daughters been to school with them since reception class. I know their Mums and some of their Dads so when something just doesent look right I do get a bit panicky, especially when children are involved.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    If you were looking for a simple risk analysis Simb I would agree with the sentiment, but you are talking about an emotive subject.

    Let's be honest about the chances, i.e. they are slim, but some risks just aren't worth taking. Awareness is the name of the game here. Someone a little "strange" will be watched, especially if they are male. It may be nothing, it may be based on fact, but some risks just aren't worth taking - from a praent's perspective.

    Out of interest, I support Boots move to an extent. There is no reason why people should want pictures of their naked child IMHO, so why take them?

    Besides, who is to say that the person developing your film isn't a paedophile?

    The risks are small I know, but that doesn't mean that I should ignore them.

    Baby pictures in the bath are sweetness personified!!!

    Little children run around naked all the time (or i certainly did!). Its natural and if your parents want to take pictures whos to stop them? Imagine if they destroyed someones only film of their baby on its first holiday or something because they'd taken pictures of it without any clothes on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    logged on to a chat server
    There message of the day

    Global- [Logon News - May 19 2003] Welcome to *********! Where the men are men, the women are men, and the boys are FBI agents. but some of the men are really women. Enjoy!

    At first I found it quite amusing
    Then quite scary. :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Simbelyne
    Baby pictures in the bath are sweetness personified!!!

    Pictures of children with their clothes on are sweetness personified too ;)

    I agree that children running around naked is natural (to an extent) but the need for pictures of them in this state aren't necessary.

    Just a personal belief.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the original post is stating that it is unfair that men are automatically thought of as being strange when they do something as simple and natural as picking up a kid from a school playground whereas people don't bat an eyelid when a woman turns up.

    I think more men should be encouraged to be a part of this kind of daily routine....

    When I have kids there is every possibility that my boyfriend will become a house 'husband' and so he will be doing this kind of thing everyday and I'd hate it if he was viewed with suspicion all the time!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    one of my daughters lives in a nice leafy suberb of manchester. after a few attempted child snatches, years apart, probably six attempts over twenty years, one dissapeared. months later found dead miles away. since then the residents and local council came up with a safety campaign where a four leafed clover i think ... is painted into the pavement outside a house where the occupant is likely to be home most of the day and a child can run for safety and bang on the door. great idea.
    a couple of years ago one of the houses went up for sale. one of the houses designated as safe with a clover outside. no one thought to remove the clover or check wether or not it was still relevant outside that particular property. a peado bought the house. he abused some local children. he went to prison and served about nine months. on release he was actualy outraged that the locals didn't want him back there! he doesn't live in the area any longer. he was persuaded to move when one of his eyeballs was removed by some seriously angry men in the area.
    trouble is he now lives ...where? have his new nieghbours been told about his dangerous desires? you can bet not.
    I ...YOU ...WE ...should demand to know when one of THEM ...is living amongst us.
    come on ...at least one of you is going to have a problem with that last line. please explain why ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    I agree that children running around naked is natural (to an extent) but the need for pictures of them in this state aren't necessary.

    But, surely, using that logic, 99% of all photographs taken should be deemed unnecessary, and should be burned without further ado.

    Also on the nature of photgraphs, how can a picture of a naked child in a bath be deemed erotic, even for a pedo? And, even more improtantly, if its illegal to take pictures of your child playing, whyb is it not illegal for catalogue companies to show pictures of children modelling underwear and swimwear?

    Pedophilia is vastly over-rated as a threat in thsi country- parents let their kids eat Big Macs and drink Coke, both of which are statistically about ten times as likely to kill you as a pedo is. Not to mention letting kids ride in cars, or on roller-coasters, or on Spanish coaches...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    I ...YOU ...WE ...should demand to know when one of THEM ...is living amongst us.
    come on ...at least one of you is going to have a problem with that last line. please explain why ...

    Quite simply: any person is entitled to the protection of the law, regardless of what crimes they have done. In the eyes of the law, they ahve served their punishment. The correctness of the punishment is not at issue here.

    Ill take two examples. Firstly, a pedophile was "named and shamed" by the News of the World, except that the address was four years out of date. Instead, a house containing three young children was burned to the ground; the children were fortunate to escape. VERY fortunate. Now my risk analysis equals three nmear deaths with an outside chance of sexual abuse- erm, not very conclusive to Sarahs Law, is it?

    Secondly, the daughter of mary Bell has been abused, violently attacked and spat at in the street. Why? Because her mother is deranged. Now THAT is what happens when "naming and shaming" happens- people should know, in order to protect their children, but, unfortunately, they cannot be trusted with that knowledge. Witness the man who had his eyeball removed- that action has, firstly, endgarered the life of the victim but, importantly (as the pedo can rot in hell IMHO) it ahs endangered the lives of children now that the police dont know where he is.

    Naming and shaming does not work, and it has disastrous consequences for any civilised nation. I have said before, and, yes, it does sound callous, but the legal rights and privileges in a nation come before anything else. because once one right goes, its not long before were treated like the white farmers in Zimbabwe. people dont want to know to "look after their children", or, if they initially do, they look after their children by lynching people. And the trouble with lynch mobs is that they then attack fucking paediatricians.

    Answer tyour question, or is someone gonna say "someone think of the children"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    good reply kermit, i understand exactly what your saying. maybe there is another way. nowadays we have a sex offenders register. maybe people who are on that register should only be able to live in designated areas. with an electronic tag for the time they are on that register? to be allowed the 'full' protection of the law after crimes against children should maybe, be changed. how, in a civilised and sensible way i do not know. maybe a tattoo on the face identifying you as ...no ok ...more eyeballs would go astray. it's a difficult one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    I think the original post is stating that it is unfair that men are automatically thought of as being strange when they do something as simple and natural as picking up a kid from a school playground whereas people don't bat an eyelid when a woman turns up.

    I think more men should be encouraged to be a part of this kind of daily routine....

    When I have kids there is every possibility that my boyfriend will become a house 'husband' and so he will be doing this kind of thing everyday and I'd hate it if he was viewed with suspicion all the time!

    People always complain about men not doing stuff like picking the kids up and yet, why should they, if they are met with suspicious stares and glances from women in the playground.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A man in Arizona was sentenced to 200 years for possessing pictures and videos of bad pictures of children he bought. Just for having them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The length of the sentence might be open to debate, but there is no doubt there should be penalties for those in possession of kiddie porn.

    Children are abused and tortured so those pictures and videos can be taken and sold, and anyone who views or possesses such images is perpetuating the situation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Children are abused and tortured so those pictures and videos can be taken and sold, and anyone who views or possesses such images is perpetuating the situation.

    That's exactly what they said. The guy's appealing it. But they say even if it's knocked down...he'll probably still get 100. He was a school teacher!:eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    good reply kermit, i understand exactly what your saying. maybe there is another way. nowadays we have a sex offenders register. maybe people who are on that register should only be able to live in designated areas. with an electronic tag for the time they are on that register? to be allowed the 'full' protection of the law after crimes against children should maybe, be changed. how, in a civilised and sensible way i do not know. maybe a tattoo on the face identifying you as ...no ok ...more eyeballs would go astray. it's a difficult one.

    I think the current situation is perfect- the police know where they are, and pay them plenty of visits, just to be nuisance and that. If I had a pedo living next door to me Id love to know, but it doesnt mean I should- my human instinct would be to kill him (or, indeed, her) but again thats not a good thing either.

    *sigh*

    But the legal practise always has to be that once youve done your time youve "paid your debt to society". Stricter penalties, without rights of parole, would be an even better idea than all this bollocks about "Sarahs Law". Especially as about 95% of all sexual abuse of children is committed by family and friends, and not by strangers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by pnjsurferpoet
    That's exactly what they said. The guy's appealing it. But they say even if it's knocked down...he'll probably still get 100. He was a school teacher!:eek:

    That is ridiculous- its nearly as stupid as the situation with drugs.

    Though he should do quite a bit of porridge, he shouldnt do time for third-party suffering because, going down that road, anyone wearing Nike trainers shopuld spend 20 years in jail.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit



    Stricter penalties, without rights of parole, would be an even better idea than all this bollocks about "Sarahs Law".
    one thing that always gets up convicts noses is that kiddy fiddlers always used to get parole. it might have changed now with the introduction of the sex offenders register, i don't know.
    the reason they always got parole was because you are finishing off the rest of your sentence on probation. that way the the authorities would know exactly where you were living and would have you in their office twice a week. remember parole is not the same as remission which is automatic. whilst on parole you can be taken back to finish off your sentence at anytime.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    about 95% of all sexual abuse of children is committed by family and friends, and not by strangers.
    I think this is a very good point.

    What annoys me is the people who seem to think there has been a drastic rise in the number of perverts and paedophiles in our country. There hasn't. The fact is that every single time a child goes missing it is plastered all over the news. What about the thousands who are found, safe and well? We don't hear about those do we?

    I think we can go to far in protecting our children.

    Becky said that people should eye others with suspicion if they are picking a child up from school and they seem strange etc. However, what about the children who are taken from the street, the ones we hear about on the news, the ones emotive people cry about? Surely nobody was looking out for them when they were "snatched". Who was there for them? Double standards I think.
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