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Are the Australians right......
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Are the Australians right in keeping the economic migrants from landing ?
I say yes and think we should be doing the same.
Let true asylum seekers in, keep the migrants out.
peacechild
And if I show you my dark side
will you still hold me tonight
and if I open my heart to you
and show you my weak side
what would you do
I say yes and think we should be doing the same.
Let true asylum seekers in, keep the migrants out.
peacechild
And if I show you my dark side
will you still hold me tonight
and if I open my heart to you
and show you my weak side
what would you do
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However seeing as we have taken in 100,000 asylum seekers in the last year, Australia has only taken in 9000 in the same time. I think that they dont have much to complain about.
There is a very interesting article in the Daily Mail on this today..Highlighting the Australian immigration policy against ours....Ours is a joke btw
I reckon they should just let the buggers throw themselves overboard..They have shown what kind of people they are when they threatened to kill the crew of the ship that RESCUED them.
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
Yeah? Ask the Timorise and I think you'll get a different answer.
Anyhow, just being from Afghanistan is enough evidence for me that a person might need help. Lets face it, life under the fundamentalist Islamic Taliban movement doesn't sounds like much fun.
I'm not saying the world should be open boarders everywhere, but Australia is a big, rich country. A big, rich, selfish country it seems.
Oh, and Hi btw - my first post
LG
Well I guess its a good job we arent talking about the Timorese in any way, shape or form isnt it <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> Indonesia is classed as a safe country for Afghans fleeing the Taliban regime.
Australia might be a big country but remember most of it is uninhabitable. Maybe they should take in more legitimate refugees but they most certainly should not take in the scum that hijacked the Tampa.
Hi btw
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
Put it this way: if I was a refugee given the choice of settling in Indonesia - where thousands have been killed in Muslim-Christian civil war in the last few years - or trying my luck in the 'Lucky Country' Australia, I'd probably go for Oz. The irony is, Australia has a terrible record towards non-white people, both indigenous and immigrant.
Up until 1973, Australia had legislation which basically prevented the immigration of
any dark-skinned people. Their current detention centres in the outback would make Widdacombe blush.
Australia might be a big country but remember most of it is uninhabitable. Maybe they should take in more legitimate refugees but they most certainly should not take in the scum that hijacked the Tampa.
Hi btw
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Hijacked? Wasn't their boat sinking when the captain of the Tampa intervened?
LG
As for Australia, that is a damn big place for all of 20 million people. And most of it is habitable. Of course, you have to be willing to live in a different lifestyle than London.
Yes, the captain of the Tampa rescued these people from drowing. However, they then threatened to take over the ship by force and make the crew sail it to Aus. They threatened the crew with violence..Take us there or die..
I didnt mean safe as a blanket statement..It is classed as 'safe' when talking about the Afghan refugees..Australia isnt 'safe' if you happen to be a white teenage girl living in a suburb of Sydney.
Also, it wasnt just a matter of choosing Indonesia or Australia..They were already living in Indonesia. They then paid the people smugglers to get them into Australia.
I think id rather live under the Taliban than try and make a living in the middle of Australia...Having never lived in London and only having visited a few times I cant comment on the lifestyle there.
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
They are not asylum seekers they are economic ILLEGAL migrants.
peacechild
And if I show you my dark side
will you still hold me tonight
and if I open my heart to you
and show you my weak side
what would you do
The fact that this event comes during the build up to an election is a juicy co-incidence for PM Howard. Hard to lose this one at home. When he eventually backs down he will be able to blame world pressure and portray himself as standing up for Oz.
But this isn't the same as the situation we have here and we shouldn't compare the two. The 'Tampa' was asked to assist in a rescue, by the Oz authorities and was directed to the boat by the Oz navy. Once they had rescued the passengers they tried to dock at the nearest island - Christmas Island - which happens to be Oz territory. Basically the Oz Govt says "thanks for rescuing those people, now fuck off." - noting that the captain was duty bound to aid another vessel in distress. That's what makes this so offensive.
Remember there is nothing to stop Australia letting this boat dock, unload the passengers and then fly them straight back to Afganistan. But then you don't win elections that way...
Not quite..
The people smugglers boat was in Indonesian waters when it radioed a
distress call. Indonesia failed to answer so Australian coast watch
co-ordinated the rescue effort with the Norwegian vessel Tampa.
The Norwegian Captain proceeded to return to the Indonesian coast, closest
port as stipulated in international maritime conventions.
The rescued 'refugees' then used threatening behaviour and threats of mass
suicide if he didn't comply.
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
But the fact remains that the Aussies asked the Tampa to get involved and now hangs them out to dry.
The fact remains the PM Howard wants the votes (he is a politician after all - and this is a vote winner)
The fact remains that the ship is now in Oz waters.
The fact remains the Oz is one of the largest landmasses on the planet and yet only has 20m inhabitants.
The fact remains that the only non-immigrants on the island are the abbos. Talk about pot and kettle.
Oh and if Indonesia failed to answer a distress call from a sinking ship, what makes you think that the Afghans would have been 'safe' to land there?
Well Australian immigration policy is theirs to dictate..I happen to think they have a great policy on illegal immigrants..They may let in less immigrants than I would like but thats not for me to say.
These people are illegal immigrants. Criminals.
Well because that is where they had just come from. The Afghans didnt start their journey in Afghanistan..They had been living in Indonesia for a while before paying the smugglers to take them to Aus.
"An Englishman's never so natural as when he's holding his tongue." --Henry James
This can not be determined untill their claims have been processed, if it is true then Australia can send them right back.
If it is not true ie. they are genuine then Australia has an international duty to accept them.
(any way they haven't got in to Australia yet so they can't be illigal or otherwise)
the very fact that they have paid money to be illegally smuggled into Australia proves their criminal intent. They also threatened the crew with violence unless they took them into Aus waters.
With the exception of the children every single person on that boat decided to break the law and try and enter Australia illegally.
<backtracking...>
still, why can't their claims be processed.?
Geee I dunno..maybe they could have paid for a normal plane/boat ticket and gone over there legally. They would have been admitted as asylum seekers or refugees and processed. For some reason they chose to pay Indonesian smugglers to get them illegally into Australia.
I think its a matter of principle now. If they process these people who have been smuggled from Indonesia then it will set a dangerous precedent.
According to the UN, Indonesia and the Philippines are both safe countries- so why did they leave Indonesia if it wasnt for the benefits in Australia?
genuine Asylum Seekers are welcome, but in both Asutralia and Britain the geography means that most claiming asylum have breached the Vienna Convention. Which is a shame, cos genunie asylum seekers NEED our protection.
It matters not who won or lost, but how you place the blame.
I do believe I agree with you for a change.
Britain is a funny place for asylum seekers because the very fact that they get to the UK means they cant be genuine asylum seekers..Unless of course they are seeking asylum from France or another country on the western european coast.
Genuine asylum seekers would stop in the first safe country. If they go through safe countries in order to get to britain then they are nothing more than economic migrants.
Kermit, can you outline the Vienna convention for me. I aint got a clue wot it is.
If your statement is accurate, the UN needs to figure out what it considers a safe country. Have any of you been paying attention to what is happening in that part of the world? Indonesia is not safe, every week there are reports of riots, killings, and various violent activities on a large scale, usually racially, ethnically or religiously motivated. And the Philipines is the site of a number of recent kidnappings of tourists. Safe?
They call these countries safe because of their relative safety to the asylum seeker concerned. If theres no taliban regime in Indonesia then they are safe, seeing as thats what theyre fleeing.
No country is completely safe...Indonesia is relatively safe for these people. Its more than safe enough to harbour them until they can arrange to be taken to Aus by smugglers.
there is plenty of land, food and everthing else we need, so I belive that the problem is not with the people who want to better themselves, but with the arrogance of everybody who has ever said that they dont deserve to live in a prosperus country.
who said that you deserve to live where you do?
Having said that I do understand that if you have been brought up to belive that life is worthless then you may need to go though some sort of education to learn how to behave in a "civilized" country.
I don't belive that someone would risk everthing they have on the off chance of getting some sort of handout, I belive they would like to work and become better people, yet the vast majoritey of people who live in western countrys are selfish and unable to see past the money symbols flashing in front of their eyes.
Have you ever seen a wild animal handing in a passport to cross a boarder?
Countries only exist so more people can feed off the power it allows them to control (tony blair, George W Bush, Hitler ect ect).
How many wars have been fought over where a boarder lies, or who should be incharge of it.
To me the whole thing is BOLLOX, we all live on the same planet we all bleed red blood, we are all the same creature we all need to live together if we are to live at all.
wise men talk because they have somthing to say, fools talk because they have to say somthing.
In a perfect world maybe we would do away with borders...this aint a perfect world and borders are here..They need to be controlled.
Just read an article on a lebanese immigrant to Australia..This man and several other immigrants gang raped two 15 year old girls in their flat..This immigrant actually said "Im from Lebanon, I didnt know rape was illegal in australia" during his trial. Cultures are sooooo different in this world, something that is fine in one culture is horrific to others
BTW..gang rape of teenage white girls is an epidemic in Sydney..100% of it committed by immigrants...Its been all over the press in Aus and im sure this has some bearing on the tampa problem.
However I know this will not happen as most people belive that their country is better than any other and dont want inferia people to distrupt it.
wise men talk because they have somthing to say, fools talk because they have to say somthing.
And this is a fact is it? <well, it's in the papers, so it MUST be true...(errr...)>
I fancy that the above is idle speculation based on prejudice and the need for a scapegoat.
BD, if you were looking to better yourself, to flee a shithole for a better life for you and your family, which would you prefer? Indonesia or Australia? And would you be prepared to do whatever it takes to make that happen? I know i would. And i know i wouldn't give a rat's arse for any 'conventions' which, let's face it, most rich countries stick to/ignore when and where it suits.....and who wrote those conventions?
Australia is a country built on people who have left somewhere for a better somewhere else. Sounds fair enough to me.
What exactly is wrong with being an economic migrant? Most of us are to greater or lesser degrees. One of the most succesful currently in this country is a man called Sven Goran Eriksson. But he's ok, of course, cos he's rich. And white. And involved in football.
Thats right Orangeade, NEVER let the facts get in the way of your liberal agenda. Im afraid it is a well documented occurance. It has even been commented on by several members of the Australian govt. Its not just the daily equiv of the Mail whipping up histeria..Do some research on the subject if you dispute my statement instead of guessing.
Absolutely nothing at all....Unless you call yourself an asylum seeker or refugee in which case you are lying scum.
Genuine asylum seekers are being put through a right shitty time because of the vast numbers of economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. The genuine ones really need our help and arent getting it because of the strain on the system by the leeches.
If you want to move to a better country then FUCKING WELL DO IT LEGALLY.
Sven Goron Eriksson..hmm is he a migrant? Is he waiting for his citizenship or is he just on a work visa? I suspect hes not willing to give up his entire life in Sweden for a few years running our football team.
You forget that it is not always possible for someone to leave their country 'legally' particularly when the legal dice are loaded against them, as yuo well know.
leeches...nice word to use to describe someone who wants to make a better life for themselves and their families. Direct your anger at the REAL leeches, like the queen fuckin mother, that bitch has been bleedin us dry for over 100 years!!!!!
Yes indeed it is...The thing is, I said absolutely nothing of the sort. I would appreciate it if you didnt make things up like that.
Firstly I said 100% of gang rape was committed by immigrants. I did not say 100% of immigrants commit gang rape.
Secondly, gang rape is very different to rape. If you look at the crime stats of any westernized country you will see that whites commit the majority of individual rapes and blacks/asians commit the majority of gang rapes(more than one rapist).
They might have problems getting into Britain and Aus legally and if so there are hundreds of other countries they could go to. Im sorry but they are leeches..Im perfectly happy paying taxes that go to support asylum seekers and refugees but when some guy brings his family to the UK posing as an asylum seeker to get the benefits afforded to them then it disgusts me.
They will all congregate into some inner city area, which will become a Ghetto falling into decline and taking the look of some Middle Eastern shithole.
The bleeding heart lefties will tell me that I’m wrong and the off spring of these illegal's will be a British as me, but history has shown that the offspring of those who legally migrated to the UK in the 1950’s from Pakistan and Bangladesh are no more British than there ancestors that made the move from the Indian subcontinent. They have totally failed to integrate into the mainstream population, and have important their third world culture of poverty into the UK. I’m always amazed that these people try to make the UK look and feel like the same shit hole nations that they tried so hard to get away from.
Multi cultured shit hole – no thanks, quentisencial England – yes please.