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Human Cloning

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
So, some Italian doctor plans to clone humans.

Is this good, bad or couldn't you give a shit?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    POI: One Italian, one American. I'm not sure if they're collaborating or simply united in common cause.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    I'm all for screwing with the natural world and genetic structures, I believe the way forward for humanity is through organic technology, not inorganic. However I don't see the point of human cloning at the moment. The success rate for animal cloning is something like 1-5%, and I'd imagine human cloning would be even less. Even those embryos brought to term can have severe abnormalities. Despite my complete lack of ethics even I would refuse to participate in experiments that bring unwanted, potentialy abnormal human babies into the world just to satisfy one guy's scientific ego.

    The techniques used need refinement and testing on a wide range of other animals before they can be applied with any guarantee of success to humans.

    It is rare for me to take an "anti-scientific" stand, but in this case I think science is being applied too soon to a problem that can be resolved by other methods. Once again science is being exploited.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im with Lord of Little on this one...Im usually all for advancing science but this is taking things too far...

    It took 277 attempts to come up with Dolly the sheep in her present form..That was 276 miscarriages and abnormally born lambs which had to be put down or died on their own quite horrifically..

    Now cloning humans is 5 times more difficult than a sheep so thats around 1385 failures on a human baby before they get a decent one...The doctors involved say practice is perfect but im not sure id want to force that many miscarriages and deformed kids in order to get cloning perfected..I would rather wait and let the docs get the theory sorted first.

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    Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    im with l-o-l and balddog on this one. just because they can do it, doesnt mean they should. what would be the point? helping childless couples? there are already far more successful and less controversial methods available. im not normally against genetic engineering, but then it usually has a point and a use that makes it worthwhile.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i agree so far as well, but to a certain extent im against genetic engineering as well. ok so fair enough it can produce more food / bigger food / or whatever, but we can grow stuff just fine without it.

    the only thing i support about GM foods is seedless grapes (i think their modified anyway) coz the ones with seeds in are a bastard
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    or have i just goen off the topic and confused myself completely?

    lol...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just heard on the news that any attempt to ban human cloning now would likely be trashed since someone would bring a court case that it was violating hir "right to reproduce." Sounds crazy enough to be true.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm for cloning if it's to help conservation. Just imagine bringing back a previously extinct species from just a hair or bone fragment (not dinosaurs of course, but maybe the black footed ferret), that would be amazing.



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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i'm against. sorry, i just think it's wrong to create life like that.....sex was invented for a reason....... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by ~*LIBERTY*~:
    I'm for cloning if it's to help conservation. Just imagine bringing back a previously extinct species from just a hair or bone fragment (not dinosaurs of course, but maybe the black footed ferret), that would be amazing.

    But, just like Dinosaurs, the Dodo etc these creatures have become extinct for a reason, god only knows what impact re-introducing them into this enviroment would have. And who decides what species SHOULD be reintroduced?

    I find the whole cloning thing offensive on an ethical and moral level. No consideration is EVER given by scientists to the impact their experiments may have - they just seem to want the 'glory' (infamy) of being the first to do something.

    As mentioned earlier 'Dolly' came about after over 200 unsucessful attempts - this time we are talking about human beings.

    And what happenes to the human Dolly - the sucessful one? Talk about media scrum (or should that be scum) - the poor child would NEVER have a normal life. Look at the problems that children have now when they find out they are ADOPTED. Who wants to sit a child down and say "hey Johnny, do you know what a clone is? - well go and look in a mirror!"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Charley, seedless grapes aren't the product of modern GM techniques, they have been cut and grafted for decades.

    As for bringing back extinct species, it's not as easy as Jurassic Park would have you believe. Firstly you'd need a very good sample of the genetic structure that hasn't been degraded by time or chemical reactions, very hard to find for any extinct species. Second you'd have to have a pretty good "map" of the gene structure, which isn't so hard but very time consuming. Third, a compatible species that could act as a host mother for your created embryo.

    There is a scientist in Russia who is planning on bringing back Wooly Mammoths, and as far as bringing back species his case seems to be the most likely. There are plenty of quick-frozen mammoths in the Russian tundra (his main limitation is the shortness of the summer thawing season) of which he is trying to find intact mammoth testicles. He believes he will be able to revive the sperm if they were frozen quickly enough, thus cutting out the genetic mapping part by implanting revived sperm straight into a modern-day female elephant. This will produce a 50/50 elephant/mammoth that can be further cross bred and inseminated to produce a more "pure" mammoth until eventually he will have a 99% genetic mammoth.

    As MOK says, many species have become extinct for a reason, but often that reason is human intervention. How many species has the human race decimated?? We can redress the balance.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    No consideration is EVER given by scientists to the impact their experiments may have - they just seem to want the 'glory' (infamy) of being the first to do something.

    Wrong, plain and simple. Perhaps many (not all) scientists have simply reached conclusions you disagree with. Hmm?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i guess all in all its down to personal opinion, but we all saw jurassic park which woudltn be a cool thing in real life. i odnt think it should be used for humans, its too risky and unfair if teh feotus gets deformed or disabled, which coudl ultimatly have been avoided.

    and yeh, itd be cool to bring back extinct stuff like the dodo and whatever. i mean maybe they did become extinct for a reason, or maybe it was our fault. the arguement could go on forever, i.e when do we use it? should we use it at all? when is it called for to be used? theres a lot that needs to be taked into consideration if its gonna be seriously used, but i think that as long as its used correctly, it shouldnt be so bad

    but lol, what do i know? i dont even know anythin about seedless grapes <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not sure about cloning but I think having genitically modified people who wouldn't grow old, etc is probably a good idea.

    [This message has been edited by Shade (edited 31-08-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Shade,

    Can you say 10 Billion Chinese?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    I dunno about that, immortality could have it's own social/cultural benefits. The problem comes with trying to reconcile it with today's technological abilities ie; the world can't support 10 billion people yet.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I reckon it’s a publicity stunt by a crackpot Italian doctor. If he can clone a human by the end of the year as he claims then I’ll eat my hands.
    Wasn’t this the same guy who artificially inseminated (or whatever you call it) some 65 year old woman?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that GM is basically a good thing, when it is perfected animals can be created quickly in order to provide food for an ever growing population, the same can be done with crops to make them growable in places that were previously to desolate.
    As for humans, I think we already have too many humans as it is. If the scientists concentrated their efforts on sending us into space or improving technology then we would be better off.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well I wont be happy until they can clone me a set of Atomic Kitten for me to own as pets...If they can do that then ethics be damned.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Thus neatly demonstrating what's wrong with science these days, which is to say it's too heavily aimed at commercial gain irrespective of higher ideals.
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