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Fox hunting?!

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

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What do you guyz think about this Fox Hunting buisness? I think its a load of S**t, and what have the foxes done? I cant believe people could do that! No,its sick,sad.etc! Ahh! I think someone should do something about this its sooo sad&cruel! What do u think??
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bunch of tossers poncing around in there posh coats tearing up our countly side.

    we did this debate at college today, soraya hates foxes cos the ate her giny (hehehe lmao @ spelling) pig, and we bollocked on about sniper rifles and better ways.

    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"&gt; great fun
  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    guinea not giny you fool harry!! lol <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    yeah i think its cruel and unnecessary, and should be banned.

    okay so you have to keep the numbers down, but how many foxes do you kill on a hunt? one, maybe 2... and they get tortured and dragged to pieces in the meantime. there are far more humane ways of killing foxes. the people who enjoy it can just carry on normal horseriding, or take up another sport that doesnt invove killing animals for their pleasure!!!

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    horse riding still fucks up the countryside (bunch of fuckers). ud kill more foxes if u snuck around with a rifle, it takes ages to chase it down and u scare em all off.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    originally posted by dirty_harry:

    horse riding still fucks up the countryside (bunch of fuckers).

    We're not all fuckers harry, and i certainly dont go messing the coutryside up when im out on my horse, thats for sure and i certainly wouldnt go fox hunting either.

    originally posted by Girl-From-Mars:

    they get tortured and dragged to pieces in the meantime. there are far more humane ways of killing foxes.

    Yeah this is soo truee and i think if those ways were carried out itd be so much kinder to the fox if they have to be killed, i understand the fact that they need to reduce numbers i just think its sad to think of them being killed anyway.

    originally posted by Grizzlybear:

    I think its a load of S**t, and what have the foxes done? I cant believe people could do that! No,its sick,sad.etc! Ahh! I think someone should do something about this its sooo sad&cruel!


    I think its a load if shit too, and the foxes have done nothing but been born and gone about thier way of living which infortunately gets in the way of some humans, foxes do kill for fun but its just thier nature,

    it is sad and pathetic that ppl enjoy the whole thing of going out with dogs and that and chasing the poor bastards round all day b4 setting a pack of dogs on it,

    they do have scent trails now and i have actually been on one of them, it is nothing like fox hunting and there is no fox involved at all,

    what happens is this,

    some ppl go out early in the morning and lay a scent down on a route in the hills or where-ever, i dont know what it is they put down but its something smelly anyway,

    then a few dogs sniff the scent and ppl follow on horses, it is a lot more humane seen as nothing is getting killed and when i went on one it was good fun because the owner of our farm arranged it for the ones who were teenagers,

    so there was just a few young girls out with a few dogs having a good gallop about and a good day,

    this is something that is being used as an alternative to hunting these days but yes it does still happen and yes i do think it is sick!


  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it is sick, I don't think under 16s should be allowed, and I think hunts should be fined heavilly for trespass.

    I don't think it should be banned
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im, sorry spirit, its ok for a nice slim girl to take her horse out.

    what i meant was they tear around in groups of 40 making a bloody noise with their hooters.

    but its fine for you cos ur not a fat posh pig, ur nice and slim <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not 100% sure which side is right, but there are arguments against this view, so in the interests of fairness I'll state them here.

    Hunting was found by the government's investigator, Lord Burns, to 'seriously comprise the welfare of the fox'. He did however also say that a ban might well compromise it further by causing more of them to be killed by shotguns and snares - therefore implying that these methods cause as much harm to the fox's 'standard of life' as does hunting.

    On a minor note, it is certainly true that there are other issues to take into account. Hunting IS a social activity not just for the upper classes and can play a cohesive role for society, and in some areas even plays an enviromental role in conserving the countryside. It is also true that there will probably be at least 6000 jobs lost as a result of this ban (government figures, not hunting lobby's).

    The line drawn between deciding what to ban is also possibly somewhat arbitary, given that while bear baiting and now fox hunting have been banned, animal testing, the appalling conditions used in rearing poultry, shooting and fishing have not. The cruelty in all of these varies, not just by activity/sport, but within those contexts as well. The same can be said of fox hunting - not all fox hunting is as cruel as in other situations, or any crueler than for example snaring them.

    Hence the question can be asked, why are we picking on this specific minority in Britain and not others. It is certainly a democratic process, but that doesn't automatically make it right.

    Just thought I'd post an unbiased rational argument for it... incidentally these arguments are mostly lifted from an article in The Economist which argues that the welfare benefit for the fox is not commensurate with the cost of restricting people's liberty. It is not by a pro-hunting lobby person, but a regular columnist there, and is quite unbiased and interesting.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it's debateable whether foxhunting should be legal or not because, as always, there are two sides to the story.

    I've heard stories of foxes killing lambs and chickens for fun, I've also heard that foxhunting is a less painful (whatever) way to kill foxes and reduce the population.

    My opinion?

    That it is not human instinct to hunt down and kill a fox for a "sport", whereas it's a fox's instinct to hunt and kill a chicken or rat. We complain about the population of foxes when we don't even think about how much we've destroyed the balance in nature as it is, with our theme parks and oil tankers and sewage.

    Ok, so maybe foxes do need controlling, but there must be a less painful way than having it chased down until it is too tired and terrified to run away and then have it ripped apart by a pack of hounds whilst sitting on a horse and watching it's gruesom death.

    I hate fox hunting, it sucks shit big time and it's based on the thought that we as humans are above all other kinds of life. If that is so, shouldn't we use this advantage to help this planet, not kill it?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think we ought to have fox hunting hunting, where we all run about on spirit's GG terrorising pillocks in bright red jackets and spurs on their boots. Then when we hold em down while a variety of foxes beat their testicles to a substance resembling boisonberry jam in both colour and consistency
    then we all go down the pub for a pint (including the foxes)

    Now that's what i call a hunt <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by JB:
    I'm not 100% sure which side is right, but there are arguments against this view, so in the interests of fairness I'll state them here.

    Hunting was found by the government's investigator, Lord Burns, to 'seriously comprise the welfare of the fox'. He did however also say that a ban might well compromise it further by causing more of them to be killed by shotguns and snares - therefore implying that these methods cause as much harm to the fox's 'standard of life' as does hunting.

    On a minor note, it is certainly true that there are other issues to take into account. Hunting IS a social activity not just for the upper classes and can play a cohesive role for society, and in some areas even plays an enviromental role in conserving the countryside. It is also true that there will probably be at least 6000 jobs lost as a result of this ban (government figures, not hunting lobby's).

    The line drawn between deciding what to ban is also possibly somewhat arbitary, given that while bear baiting and now fox hunting have been banned, animal testing, the appalling conditions used in rearing poultry, shooting and fishing have not. The cruelty in all of these varies, not just by activity/sport, but within those contexts as well. The same can be said of fox hunting - not all fox hunting is as cruel as in other situations, or any crueler than for example snaring them.

    Hence the question can be asked, why are we picking on this specific minority in Britain and not others. It is certainly a democratic process, but that doesn't automatically make it right.

    Just thought I'd post an unbiased rational argument for it... incidentally these arguments are mostly lifted from an article in The Economist which argues that the welfare benefit for the fox is not commensurate with the cost of restricting people's liberty. It is not by a pro-hunting lobby person, but a regular columnist there, and is quite unbiased and interesting.

    I think the resulting job losses would be extremely unfortunate, it is often a side of the story not revealed in the press.
    However to compare it to research that is carried out on animals is pointless.
    Medical research is an essential activity in this country, and it could not be done without using animals. Many people argue that computers should be used instead. However a computer, know matter how good will never forsee all the possible results. The law also states that the final stage of research should be carried out on something that is living. There would be an outcry if humans were used so animals are used instead. If it wasn't for animal research we wouldn't have a cure for menningitis or polio, 2 of the main killers in this country of children. The use of a few dozen animals is acceptable when the final result is considered. The animal rights protestors themselves are selfish and hypocritical. The lead protestor at the Huntingdon research site was herself injured and her pain was treated with drugs that were tested on animals. I think she should have been left to suffer so she could see what animals are really used for. The protestors, if sucessful will create a huge economic problem for this country and will remove our ability to research medicines ourselves, forcing to rely on the USA and Europe.



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  • Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    its about fox hunting whowhere not medical research!

    MB, excellent idea! half my school at least is pro-fox hunting coz they all have farms and enjoy going out and torturing and killing stuff, we cant have a proper discussion about it if it comes up in convo, coz its so unbalanced in favour of fox hunting staying legal and being "fun"!! so its generally safer to just discuss mundane topics if you dont want an enraged charlotte or becci flying at you... not a good experience, believe me!

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL monkey_boy my horse only has room for one infortunately so youll have to get ur own GG,

    and yeah everyone seems to think that it is just posh ppl who go on hunts and wear all those red riding jackets and biege johdpurs but its not, i know nuff common ppl whove got horses and go hunting,

    its a nasty world all this hunting shit because theres these farmers near my farm and they were on the lane once and i was well pissed off cos i knew that they were going out hunting,

    i wanted to get out of the car kick em all in the bollox shove their dogs up their arses and rip thier heads off, but i know for a fact that if i did when i went to see my horse the next day, grrr i dont even wanna think about what they would do to him,

    i mean theres the posh ppl who just do it for a ride, the posh ppl who do it cos they think its good sport and the ones who are trying to kill the foxes too, but then theres also he lower class ppl who come under the exact same categories,

    then theres the evil fucks who would burn ur animals eyes out if u got in thier ways!
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