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So this is where the americans are...LOL!
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Debating gun control on a UBB in the UK...LOL!!! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">
sup guys & gals!
sup guys & gals!
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yeah, such a good idea <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
~ Nietzsche
It really is something conversing and exchanging ideas with people from all over.
I really like this board. It is a different slice of life. I mean how wonderous it is to engage people several thousand miles away in conversation.
It is truly amazing how much you can learn!
Oh! Yes I am American and I am here. I will try to behave myself! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
I can't believe the news today
I can't close my eyes and make it go away
How long, how long must we sing this song
How long, how long
(a) CNN didn't cover the fuel protests.
(b) CNN didn't cover the General Election.
(c) CNN hasn't taken a look at any British papers' cartoonists' work e.g. 'Nature Notes' in The Times.
No sir! I didn't mean to indicate that at all. All I'm saying is what is right for one society may not be right for another. Societies are different and look upon issues differently. If you go to Germany and want to at least befuddle them, tell them it's the law, and they'll at least pause to think. The British and Americans would more than likely say "F off" without thinking twice. Different societies. The majority of the British society feels firearms have no place in private hands. The US society feels different. Which is right, which is wrong? It’s what is right in that particular society that is right. If the British feel strong enough about not owning firearms to have laws preventing the ownership of firearms, then that is what is right for them. I feel there’s nothing wrong with that. However, that lifestyle is not for me. I will never belittle other societies for passing laws that they feel is for their best interests. When I visit their countries, I respect their laws. I may not like it, but I respect it.
Both Countries have a revolution every few years. At election time, if we did not like what our representatives did, we kick them out of office. If we liked what they did, we re-elect them. It’s a peaceful revolution. When there are bills that are under consideration, or that have passed, that we don’t like, we can call, email, snailmail, or protest to inform our representatives of our dislike of what they did. Question is, if we protested and the Government sent the police in to quell the riots instead of backing down on the laws, what happens next? Please note, I’m not poising this question to say one system is better than another. That would be a bogus statement because we’re discussing two different societies. I’m more interested in what the two different societies would do as two different societies. I seriously doubt the average US citizen would resort to firearms to get his way. There may be some saber rattling, but I doubt there would be action. If they would have, they would have done so during Former President Clinton’s reign. Fact is, one actually did do something to protest Former President Clinton’s actions. That person blew up a federal building. It’s an action that I do not condone, though I understand how the individual arrived where he did in his convictions.
I have a question, does the average British citizen look upon their country’s Constitution as part of a series of Checks and Balances against the Government? If I was wrong in my last post, I want to be corrected. Another thing, I should have stated in my other post, "one society in comparison to the other, trusts their government and the other looks upon the people and their Country's Constitution as a part of a series of checks and balances against their government."
Like I said prior, I hope we’re educating each other. Confrontations usually do not bring understanding. Discussions tend to enlighten. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
Out of my mind. Back in five minutes.
Fair play mate coz this is how I feel. Welcome to the board. You have a good attitude
Thank you for the warm welcome! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"> I would rather promote an understanding than conflict. I can explain the US point of view Arms. I do not quite understand the British viewpoints on Arms and would like to learn. It's an insight to the psychology of the people. There is more I'd like to learn, but I'll hold that off for later. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif">
63DH8, your relativism (I know Doubro will try to trash us both here, so beware) strikes a chord with me. I've long argued that we all base our moral systems on some set of assumptions. Different assumptions + equally rigorous reasoning = different conclusions.
Btw, what does 63DH8 mean? Is it your postcode or something?
Howdy MacKenZie! My philosophy was developed through my travels around the world. I was raised in a military family (my father spent 32 years in the US Navy), and I was in the US Army for eight years. My father was Danish, and my mother, Japanese. I have lived in Japan, the US, Germany, Saudi Arabia, and Texas. I have visited Canada, Mexico, the Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, Kuwait, and Iraq. I enjoy observing and experiencing societies and people. One of the things I noticed was societies are the way they are because of what the people experienced. The Arabs have a strict religion because of how harsh their environment is. If they didn’t have something to hang on to, they, as a society, would have perished a long time ago. The Americans (US types) distrust their Government because that was what the Nation was founded on. The Germans are a somewhat "stiff" society because they originated from a militaristic society. The Japanese get highly insulted at any show of disrespect because they too come from a militaristic society. I’ll speculate they are more-so militaristic than the Germans because they are comparatively isolated from outside influences due to they’re an island nation.
Your statement, "I've long argued that we all base our moral systems on some set of assumptions. Different assumptions + equally rigorous reasoning = different conclusions.", I feel holds water. We experience, we assume based on our experiences, we reason based on our experiences, and because everyone’s experiences are different, we come to different conclusions. Toss into the equation people also learn from other’s experiences, and you’ll get an even wider set of conclusions. What keeps a set of conclusions more or less the same is when the assumption is taken on a societal level of assumptions.
My nickname, 63DH8, was my military occupational specialty while I was in the Army. I was an Artillery Mechanic. I worked on self propelled artillery, thus the 63D. The H8 is the designator for recovery specialist. I was a recovery vehicle commander during the Gulf War. My job was to bring back the armor that was killed or disabled so they can be repaired and sent back out to fight.
On the left, what I worked on. On the right, what I was commander of.
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Me
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I’m the one without the helmet, and with the paper in hand.
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Killed by "friendly fire".
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I tinker with everything. It's the nature of the beast. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"> Everything could be made better. I just make it better for me. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif">
63D! I did NOT recognize you there!
... and NO, I am NOT likely to post photos from MY past! Do NOT want to supply the "intel"...