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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ducati? Yuck!

    Pot pie done yet, Princess?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by RAGE93:


    You don't own shit until you buy a Ducati!

    caio

    By deductive reasoning, I may only presume that you are INSISTING that a Ducati is therefore shit, as "you don't own SHIT until you own a DUCATI"??? LMFAO! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    SPORTY ~ they're probably going to insist that I MYSELF am sexist when I point out that their inadequacies at debate come from their deplorable testosterone deficiency! LMFAO! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know why they spank babies when they're born? To knock the dicks off of the dumb ones!

    I may not go down in history, but I'll go down on your sister!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1) i don't DO cooking <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    2)my testosterone levels are not unusual, given that i am actually female <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    and i agree...ducatis ARE shit <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/tdo13.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:
    You know why they spank babies when they're born? To knock the dicks off of the dumb ones!


    Jeez, they must have hit you several times.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Opry Bitch - in response:

    1) But i'll bet you do the Garbageman.

    2)Then I'm thinkin' that you never wear short skirts because your balls show.

    Man of Kent - Go wank yerself, you pencil-neck geek! Good God, man! Consider corrective surgery or something! I'm pretty sure you have not only an inferiority complex, but an Oedipus Complex as well....cause the last time you had pussy was when pussy had you. Bugger off, ya' cherryboy!

    I may not go down in history, but I'll go down on your sister!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:
    Man of Kent - Go wank yerself, you pencil-neck geek! Good God, man! Consider corrective surgery or something! I'm pretty sure you have not only an inferiority complex, but an Oedipus Complex as well....cause the last time you had pussy was when pussy had you. Bugger off, ya' cherryboy!


    I like you Sportster, you make me laugh and yet you have no redeeeming features.

    Did you know that KY is a lubricant over here, I'm sure you'd find it useful next time you lay down with your 'woman'.

    Squeeeeeeel, piggy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    KY is for Kentucy. as for lubricant I'm sure you would know all about that wouldn't you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:
    Opry Bitch - in response:

    1) But i'll bet you do the Garbageman.

    2)Then I'm thinkin' that you never wear short skirts because your balls show.

    excuse me? until now i found your comments rather amusing, but now you have confirmed that you possess neither intelligence or humour <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    i don't do garbagemen, we don't have them <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    as for the balls comment, i ain't even gonna bother....i never realised american women were so different to british ones <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;


    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/tdo13.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sean K, the S.Vietnamese troops may have fought tooth and nail to hold on to saigon, but the people of the country were the ones that accepted communist rule - they decided that it was a better system for them. the army, on the other hand, was under control of the (still predominantly roman catholic) military junta (or whatever vietnamese for junta is), which was backed by the US in the process of vietnamization.

    Nolite te bastardes carborundorum
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by thanatos-jr:
    KY is for Kentucy. as for lubricant I'm sure you would know all about that wouldn't you.

    I did KNOW that KY stands for Kentucky, dude. I was taking the piss.

    The thing about us Brits is that we can laugh at ourselves. The 'Cherryboy' and 'lube' insults are both predicatable and innaccurate. So please try to use your imagination - I know you have one - if you are going to insult me, make it a good one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:

    I like you Sportster, you make me laugh and yet you have no redeeeming features.

    *agrees wholeheartedly*

    sportster, u are a bit of a tosser really. stop with the personal insults, they have no place.

    and stop with ur supposedly intelligent comments, they merely show ur southern heritage.

    If there's anything more important than my ego around here, i want it caught and shot now

    [This message has been edited by Turtle (edited 13-08-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    <
    Originally posted by MacKenZie:
    Sorry to do this, but I am so bloody sick of those Americans on this board (they know who they are) who keep on referring to the 'brainwashed Brits.'>

    Um...Boo hoo.

    <We've had servicemen slagged off for wearing the crown on their uniforms......It's a NATIONAL SYMBOL for crying out loud. Of course servicemen wear it.>

    Yea, a Symbol of the National Monarchy.

    <We've had Brits being decried as thoughtless, brainwashed sheep brought up never to question governmental authority.>

    Yep... that's about the size of it.

    <I think that this is just plain ridiculous coming from inhabitants of a country where schoolchildren are forced to sign the national anthem every day.>

    No one is holding a gun to their head. The Children are treated Like CHILDREN. The adults believe that Children are not capable of determining political affilation for themselves, so they propagandize them by going through the motions in an attempt to mimick adult behavior... It is far from damaging, but simply a symbolic gesture of respect for the country's heritage like your (Supposedly )harmless queens crown.


    < This coming from people who cannot see the contradictions inherent in their own constitution. This coming from people who live in a country where the votes of right-minded individuals>

    Ok, what the F*ck kind of English double babble is "Right-Minded" in the first place?

    <were wilfully discounted and the election to the highest office effectively decided by 9 people, not 250m. Strange, but I saw no armed public uprising in the face of that travesty.>

    You have not an inkling of what you are talking about. 9 people didn't decide sh*t, they were simply the last ones to vote in their respective state. See, unlike some countries, we Americans are a "Representative Republic", not a Federation of States, we are United but Independantly sovereign...or at least that was the original intention.

    The authors of the Constitution structured the Electoral system so that no region, or regions or States in the country could politically dominate the rest of the States or regions in the country, based simply on power of population. (Might doesn't always make right) They wanted to regulate the ways in which populism could influence government, so they set it up so that EACH state should have a stable proportion of the power to elect the President, because he was to represent the executive branch of the Federal government to all the States equally, not to each individual person equally. Each state has it's OWN SEPERATE election for president, Only then the majority can decide who wins in that state, thereby limiting majority rule in it's scope...

    Florida had an election in 2000. No votes were "willfully discounted" as you'd have people believe. Rather there was a Machine count, which was completely unbiased, then a recount, and then unproper handling of ballots a month after the election by partisian officals, and even AFTER that, and by almost EVERY concievable standard, George Bush fairly WON and rightfully became President of these "UNITED STATES".

    <This is NOT an America-bashing. This is me pointing out that for the Americans to call UK citizens brainwashed and docile is a mild case of the pot calling the kettle black.>

    No, this is mindless Conservative Bashing...
    But it is unfounded, as we have no such problems as you indicated. Our critisism of you still stands however... what's your excuse for not getting rid of a useless monarch?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Skive'n'Dive:
    I think this is a good attitude!


    Of course you do.. it lets you off the hook so to speak...so that any critisim of your system when compared to the US can be written off as "Apples and Oranges"...

    But it is a vapid and meaningless attitude to have.



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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by dazed_dan:

    to be honest, i view the symbol of the crown as a symbol of the nation that was willing to fight alone and to the last man, to defend the world from tyranny in 1940-41. ....not that i'm saying i'm pro-monarchy, or that the british people have never done any wrong.>

    Actually by viewing the Crown as representing all those positive things, you ARE in fact saying you support the Monarchy, even though you explicitly deny it.

    The Union Jack would be a better symbol to identify your idealized nation with if you weren't saying you were "pro-monarchy".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Lorenzo:
    I would like to just point out that, Hitler did not lose the war because of America's intervention. The Nazis were already on the brink of defeat by then.>

    In your Dreams. The Battle of the Bulge was one of the most hard fought battles in the War, and the Americans held their ground along with the rest of the Allies. Englands was simply no match for Hitlers military, Hitler lost because he started a war with the Russians and Declared War on the US. While we didn't have superior weapons or troops, we simply out produced him, and England would have fell if it hadn't of been for us giving or leasing them weapons and supplies. This was no "Business deal" either, as some have called it, but a life preserver at a time when England could have been sunk permanently. Ask some of the Old timers out there about American help in the war, even beofre we entered it.

    Your Lee Enfield rifles were made RIGHT HERE in the US by Remington or was it SAVAGE arms co.?

    <referring to your quote Sporster 1200C 'thanks to us you are not speaking German'. Well, don't forget you are speaking 'ENGLISH'
    and where your ancestors actually came from!>

    My derivation is Half German and Half Italian. No English blood in me at all... but I'm ALL American.

    <By the way, why are Americans claiming all the 'glory' for the mass destrution that Little Boy and Fat Man caused? I don't think its great to wipe out 200 000 civilians>

    It was practically the last area where military production was still going on. There were both civilians and military people killed there... and niether was particularly glorious. It was simply the fastest way to ensure capitulation.

    <. And don't forget, Albert Einstien was a JEW! not american.>

    He was either a German or an American, but Jew refers to a Religion, not a Country. He wasn't an Israeli, I can tell you, because Israel didn't exist then.

    <What about 7 of December, Pearl Harbour?
    could hiroshima and nagasaki been a pay back?>

    Well, ... I wouldn't muss with us then, would I...?


    <I am not from the UK either, so I am not on anyone's side on this argument. >

    You on the" You're-a-peein" side obviously...

    <Just get your facts straightened and study them thoroughly before presenting your argument]>

    Check yourself into a hospital for the incurably obtuse.



    [This message has been edited by Doubro (edited 13-08-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The main arguments for retaining the monarchy these days are not the Divine Right of Kings or any such thing. If your average Brit were designing the country from scratch s/he wouldn't put a monarchy in there. No, we keep it because getting rid of it is just too much damn fuss. Perhaps in the past they were a load of psycho bastards, but in the 21st Century they're a pretty harmless lot. They bring in tourism and trade (to a greater or lesser extent), they are a symbol of tradition and all the rest. Yes, they have a chequered past, but so what?

    In any case, what would replace them? An elected President? No, because no-one ever gives up power voluntarily. TB and friends can barely tolerate a second chamber, let alone a President! Keep 'em. It's just too much bother, and we have bigger problems to deal with.

    And Doubro, "9" referred to the Supreme Court. In Britain the Judiciary is kept well and truly out of choosing the government. The American failure to do so is what I object to. And you ARE A FEDERAL REPUBLIC. Look it up in the back of an atlas.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:

    Yes, it's true that we speak English as a result of descending from you..... but our forefathers were smart enough to realize just how much you all SUCKED, so they left.

    [/B]

    erm . . . I might be being silly, but they didn't actually leave coz we suck, as we dont, but they wanted to spread out over the world.

    You were one of our colonies for years!

    The only reason that you are not still part of the United Kingdom is that your egos got so big that you thought you were too good for us, drove one of our kings insane, and we got bored of chasing you!

    Then you thought that you could make a better job of ruling America on your own, but you made your own faults, just as we did. Please remember that you may have managed to break free of us in the war of independance, but the paths that our countries have taken to our present situations are not dissimilar.

    And if we all suck so much, please explain this to me:
    I work in a place called Brodick Castle. Every other day we find ourselves inundated with loud, brash Americans, delighted to be in "Bonnie old Scotland" and to "get in touch with their roots". You can't imagine how dumb that sounds in an American accent. If Britain sucks so much, why do you insist in annoying us by demanding Haggis and scottish oatcakes?
    Can you? I can. They feel that they are part of it.

    As for the whole civil unrest factor, I agree with what has been said. Everyone has it. And they survive. And learn. For example, the Scots forgave the English for the Clearances.

    And you may speak English, but at least WE can spell it!

    My training in Standard Grade History may insist that I give a balanced view, which I hope I have, but it wont make me back up that Anthems and symbols are examples of the true patriotism and Identity of a person. Unless you actually believe what you say or Display on a uniform - that you are an intrinsic part of your countryu and society, its not true.

    Don't sing SSB unless you really feel that you are an american, deep down with all it entails. Or wear the symbol of the crown unless you are Truly Brittish, in your heart.

    I was born in Glasgow. But I still couldn't sing Flower of Scotland if I wasn't SURE that I believed that we could "be our own nation again". And that doesn't mean independant. It means part of our own countryside and culture. But I can, because I do.

    You don't have to have been born somewhere to feel that you are a part of it.

    So never say that a country sucks. It may do to you, but not to those who are a part of it.

    *starts to sing softly: "oh flower of scotland . . . when will we see . . . "*



    "Our lives are but specks of dust, falling through the fingers of time . . . Like sands of the hourglass, so are the days of our lives"

    Socrates
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lighten up, folks....and I will as well. Please don't take me seriously.

    Man of Kent/Opra bitch - I apologize.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Turtle - my heritage is not Southern....it's German/Irish.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quote originally posted by MacKenzie<I think that this is just plain ridiculous coming from inhabitants of a country where schoolchildren are forced to sign the national anthem every day.>


    Originally posted by Doubro
    No one is holding a gun to their head. The Children are treated Like CHILDREN. The adults believe that Children are not capable of determining political affilation for themselves, so they propagandize them by going through the motions in an attempt to mimick adult behavior... It is far from damaging, but simply a symbolic gesture of respect for the country's heritage like your (Supposedly )harmless queens crown.

    But this IS brainwashing. There is nothing symbolic about it. This is exactly the same process the US objected to China, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.

    To repeat on of the comments you have made there;
    The adults believe that Children are not capable of determining political affilation for themselves, so they propagandize them
    Isn't this an almost perfect definition of brainwashing?The adults believe that the children cannot form their own opinion and so force theirs on them. Can't the children decide for themselves, as they mature? Isn't that part of being 'free'?

    At no point in this country do we tell children that they MUST have a monarchy, or that they MUST have democratically elected Govt. And we never insist that EVERYONE signs the National Anthem.

    Demanding that the National Anthem is sung in school before the day begins is no different to expecting them to repeat the mantra "Four feet good, two feet bad".

    The authors of the Constitution structured the Electoral system so that no region, or regions or States in the country could politically dominate the rest of the States or regions in the country, based simply on power of population. (Might doesn't always make right) They wanted to regulate the ways in which populism could influence government, so they set it up so that EACH state should have a stable proportion of the power to elect the President, because he was to represent the executive branch of the Federal government to all the States equally, not to each individual person equally. Each state has it's OWN SEPERATE election for president, Only then the majority can decide who wins in that state, thereby limiting majority rule in it's scope...

    Florida had an election in 2000. No votes were "willfully discounted" as you'd have people believe. Rather there was a Machine count, which was completely unbiased, then a recount, and then unproper handling of ballots a month after the election by partisian officals, and even AFTER that, and by almost EVERY concievable standard, George Bush fairly WON and rightfully became President of these "UNITED STATES".

    The votes of EVERYONE who voted for Gore in Florida counted for shit when the electoral college votes were cast. How many of the Florida College voted for Gore, even though he polled approximately 50% of the popular vote in that State?

    Not every state has the same number of electoral votes, does it? So a candidate could win the majority in the popular vote, the majority of states and yet still lose the race, couldn't they?

    <This is NOT an America-bashing. This is me pointing out that for the Americans to call UK citizens brainwashed and docile is a mild case of the pot calling the kettle black.>

    No, this is mindless Conservative Bashing...
    But it is unfounded, as we have no such problems as you indicated. Our critisism of you still stands however... what's your excuse for not getting rid of a useless monarch?

    No, there is no conservative bashing going on (NB in this country it is the conservatives who are most pro-royal). This is a case of double standards.

    You profess to be 'guardians of democracy' and yet you aren't one.

    You also profess that the British are brainwashed, yet you brainwash your own children daily.

    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C
    Man of Kent/Opra bitch - I apologize.

    Accepted.

    If I have caused any offence then you should know that was my intention <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    Can we have reasoned arguments now?



    [This message has been edited by Man Of Kent (edited 14-08-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, let's.

    I'm not at all offended.....but you are to be commended for your efforts.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by thanatos-jr:
    KY is for Kentucy. as for lubricant I'm sure you would know all about that wouldn't you.

    Damn! no wonder it tasted like shit with peanut butter! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    <In any case, what would replace them? An elected President? No, because no-one ever gives up power voluntarily.>

    That's why there is a constitutional limit of two terms here in the U.S..



    <And Doubro, "9" referred to the Supreme Court. In Britain the Judiciary is kept well and truly out of choosing the government.>

    Well, then Supreme Court was simply undoing the error of the Florida State Court, by simply ordering them to STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE GODDAMN ELECTION. OTHERWISE IT WAS THE NUMBER OF MACHINE AND FAIRLY HAND COUNTED BALLOTS, THAT DECIDED THE ELECTION...regardless of what propaganda you Left leaning Euros feed to each other about it.

    < The American failure to do so is what I object to. And you ARE A FEDERAL REPUBLIC. Look it up in the back of an atlas.[/B][/QUOTE]>

    If, by saying "FEDERAL REPUBLIC" you mean a "CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC" which has a limited but centralized federal government which regulates interstate commerce, taxes and "federal" crimes. then YES We have a "Federalized" Republic, but that is NOT THE SAME THING AS A "FEDERATION" OF STATES (Which implies complete authority in the central government).

    It may be that your English Atlas has made a mistake in the description of our system. It wouldn't be the first time. The words are simlilar, but have a great difference in meaning.


    [This message has been edited by Doubro (edited 14-08-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru


    <The only reason that you are not still part of the United Kingdom is that your egos got so big that you thought you were too good for us, drove one of our kings insane, and we got bored of chasing you!>

    Um, You sure it didn't have anything to do with a desire to be free from a tyrannical ruler, a desire which ultimately cost many of the men who signed the Declaration of independance their fortunes and even thier lives...?

    <Please remember that you may have managed to break free of us in the war of independance, but the paths that our countries have taken to our present situations are not dissimilar.>

    So?

    <And if we all suck so much, please explain this to me:...why do you insist in annoying us by demanding Haggis and scottish oatcakes?>

    There are morons here as well as in your country. We send ours to you to get you back for the Spice Girls.

    <As for the whole civil unrest factor, I agree with what has been said. Everyone has it. And they survive. And learn. For example, the Scots forgave the English for the Clearances.>

    If I was Irish, I'd be pissed off until England was out of Ireland.

    <And you may speak English, but at least WE can spell it!>

    Fuck that... Tomatoe?

    <My training in Standard Grade History may insist that I give a balanced view,>

    Like the "balanced" view you gave about the Americans starting the Revolution just because they thought they were "Better than the British"? Hmmm really balanced... like a one legged dog trying to take a piss.


    All I want to know is , how do you think you can be a "Nation" again, without being independant? It seems to me that a soveriegn nation must be independant in order to be free. Take a clue for the various as scattered sub "Nations" in the U.S... there are groups like the "Nation of Islam" or the "Cherokee NAtion", but they are simply minority groups... Is that what Scottland aspires to be? Another "Affirmative Action" welfare recipiant?

    If that's the case, then YOU DO SUCK!


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Doubro:

    There are morons here as well as in your country. We send ours to you to get you back for the Spice Girls.


    Touche. I think that is something we should certaionly apologise for. But you gave us New Kids on the Block first <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    and youu gave us the beatles........wait, that was when the music was actually good. Nevermind <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    .....not to mention Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, Eric Clapton.....I'm afraid the Brits got us Yanks beat soundly on this subject.

    We have better food, though. So there. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:
    .....not to mention Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, Eric Clapton.....I'm afraid the Brits got us Yanks beat soundly on this subject.

    We have better food, though. So there. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    Shame u dont have better attitudes really... well it would seem some of u on here dont anyway!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Sportster 1200C:
    We have better food, though

    turkey pie?! turkey pie vs fish n chips, hmmmmmm wonder what would win there. or even fries vs chips. chips are sooo much better <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    *is not convinced at all*

    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/tdo13.gif"&gt;

    sometimes you've just got to keep going....
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