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firstly yeh i reckon that teh press should reveal their identities, because i think the country has a right to know if their neighbour/boyfriend/employee/cabbie is a murderer. and even if their identities are not publically released, somebody somewhere would know who they are, so its only a matter of time b4 we all know anyway.
and i think 10 year olds are responsible for their actions. i mean most 5 year olds know not to beat a little kid to death, its basic common sense. if a kid doesnt know that at 10 years old then they never will. i mean yeh sure kids do things that they dont know better like i dunno breakin an orniment or summin, but if they dont feel guilty or sorry 4 it then there really is somethin wrong. and what sort of person could lead a normal adult life when they know that they robbed a two year old boy of his almost entire life? what sort of fairness do u call that? i know that life isnt fair but come on, at least be able to control some aspects of it.
someone said that they'll probly commit suicide within 10 years. i knwo it sounds inhumane to sauy this but good riddance in my opinion. there's no way that they are gonna turn out normal, and as nasty as thsi might sound i think its a case of re introducin teh death penalty, which is summin else i had 2 do an essay about once.
and also , if u think about it, its really sick that 10 year olds would actually plan out how they were going to do that. and i do seriously think that a 10 year old is able to plan and carry out a murder, yes. also most 10 year olds know that trainlines are dangerous, doh.
and dirty harry, i know many peopel didnt appreciate ure posts on here, but i actually did. i had know idea that that was what they did to him, and u say that what u wrote was only the outline, its sick. they are definatley evil and i hope that A) they are never released ,
and yeh there is the whoel for and against an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth, and in some ways they are both right. but come on, revenge is a natural human emotion, and personally if i was jamies mum i would find those two lads and slowly beat the fuck out of them to make them go thru what they put my son thru. i wouldnt care about goin into reform, by the sounds of it those 2 lads had a wicked time in reform. and what sort of example does that set to other kids? now kids who hav shit lives can sit there and think "oh my life is shit, ill go out and murder some little kid so that i can go 2 a cool decent reform school with all wicked stuff", i mean it hardly gives kids a good influence or a good incentive not to commit crime in general.
and i know not to belive everythin u read in the sun, but i read that one opf them was stil really violent and heavily into sick pornography and drugs, and then theres peopel out there sayin that they are changed boys and desrve another chance. i'm all for forgive and forget, to a certain extent, but thats just fuckin ridiculous.
and i agree with j@ke, pretty much, he makes some v good points, even if i dont understand all of what he sed (my bad, not ures), and even if that does contradict my opinions, which i tend to do a lot anyway.
and as for blamin that on the chucky films, i cant work out where that idea came from. ive saw 3 out of teh 4 chuckie films (childs play) and i cant see hwo that would hav influenced them.
RE one f em goin 2 old trafford, well that just shows ow fuckin poxy and cotton wool "reform" really is dont it.
i could probly sit here all nite and write more and more and more, but im off coz i got coursework to do <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif">. ill erm, add to this later...
generally it's polite to post an introduction in the 'anything goes' forum, just say hello.
it's also polite to NOT drag up old topics (this one was from January!) Check the dates before you reply please.
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.
The jamie bulger case is very difficult, because the thought of children killing a tolder makes people think these kids must have been possessed, or be pure evil.
Althought they were probably accountable for their actions, and deserve to be punished (and rehabilitised) people need to look at why such acts are happening now; people need to look at society - a murder is a result of something ultimately wrong in society. If anyone can relate to the kind of lifes the kids had, and their surroundings and family, you can see why there is such a problem with serious crime.
There will always be some evil individuals out there in this world. But at 10 years old were they evil or merely disturbed. I reckon they can be rehabilitated. You can be pretty sure they're never going to murder anyone agian.
How can anyone say that prison is like a holiday camp. Prison isn't only solitary confinement, prisoners would go even more insane. Young offenders especialy need to stimulate they're mind and be educated. It's all part of the rehabilitation process.
Forwards ever, Backwards never - Skive
It may not be polite but since this case keeps popping up in the news and as they might be released in the near future I think it was worth dragging up.
Excellent - I agree. But what do we do to those who cannot be rehabilitated?
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"Sanity is statistical."
We can only put our trust in people who are hopefully educated and responsible enough to make those decisions i.e the shrinks and judges involved.
To be honest I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions.
Forwards ever, Backwards never - Skive
ARRRRHGGGHHHHH!!!
Suffering is everywhere. Don't think it isn't. So are miracles. Don't think they aren't.
It's not because we think they've served their sentance. They will be sentanced to a miserable life till htey die. I just want the most productive outcome which in my view is punishment and rehabilitation not just punishment and incarciration. Many ppl are blinded by the anger they feel towards the murderers. I myself find what they did totally disgusting but even if they stayed in prison longer they'd hjave to come out some time. And if it was say in 10 years time they wre freed what sort of ppl would they be. I don't think they'd be any better - probably be worse.
Revenge may be a good short term soloution that makes ppl feel better. But rehabilitaion is the intelligent long term soloution that will show that as human beings we should belief that ppl can change, especially when the cimminals are so young.
I don't believe that they are Evil just not right in the head, and fixing that is what rehabilitation is all about.
Forwards ever, Backwards never - Skive
But the real worry and disgrace comes from
the message britain sends out to the world,
sadly we have for some years now been governed by spineless wimps, and the social services being at the top of the spineless list.
Our over the top attitude towards protecting
childrens rights has somewhat back fired,
and has gotten us into a terrible mess,with
the enforcement of the caution system towards
our criminal youth, only could have from the begining lead to them being out of control.
Social services and other do good people that are involved in this eppic decision of
releasing these two monsters , will duck and hide when the shit hits the fan , and this proves to be yet another weak decision from
an already useless board of idiots.
How many times will you here britain going on about poor little childrens rights,and then follow it by doing something bloody stupid like releasing child killers, they send a dangerous message out to the youth,
they convince them that nasty adults cannot get away with mistreating them, but do not enforce that rule on the youth by letting them know that they to cannot get away with mistreating other children in the same way.
I refer to the recent capture of the killers of damilola tailer, I mean those boys did not learn through the chilhood grid, that attacking another child so serverely that he could die, the message wouldnt have got through because britain unfortunately has a time limit on discust and repulsion of past crimes, we as a society do not keep up the feelings of horror we get when we see a poor child cut in half by a train,we feel we could linch the little buggers at the time for doing such a crime but then years later the good old british forgivness creeps in, and it shows here by some of the replies posted.
Dont even bother to go down the road of a child of ten doesnt know right from wrong,
because years back even taking apples from a tree without asking would result in your father wacking the right from wrong into you.
and then you would get a quick course of i wont do that again, these of course would be the days when social services wouldnt call to take dad down the local nick for driving
some respect and good teaching into his son,
But of course since then people have over corrected there children and brought about over reactions from child protection authorites to the extent that it has had the oposite effect, a child now has only one thought while he is commiting offences , and that is if it goes wrong i will get ny caution and cuddle, then if I keep going eventualy i will be taken into care for more
cuddles.
I think britain now has become a traffic police state, and owning a car is far more a crime than injuring a member of the public with voilence, no amount of police money or time is spared on tracking down an honest working man using his vehicle to get to work
that has not been able to afford to renew his tax disk untill he gets paid at the end of the week, or the man that gets caught by the sneaky under cover copper in an umarked vehicle filming the moving traffic on a motorway, yet to get a camera put up in a dangerous council housing estate to stop muggings and rape or robbery is put on file and rejected by commities as too costly.
My impresion of our country is if theres no money in fines to be had, then dont over police it.
Anyway does anyone know the exact date for the release of damilolas killers , its got to be around about 8 years from now hasnt it?
ah well, it will give us all time to forgive them and say that they didnt know what they were doing, BUT REMEMBER NOW how well these little angels kept this horrible guilt to them selves for so long, and how they didnt confess to anyone while police were looking for the culprits all this time and , even on
police interviews they held up to questioning
like real hardened criminals.
EVERY DAY WE GET CLOSER TO THE CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED.
also the way you format your paragraphs makes your long entries a little hard to read, maybe try pressing enter twice at the end of each paragraph to insert some "white space"? i find posts formatted like this a lot easier to read and absorb.
and welcome to thesite <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger."
~ Nietzsche
How can someone have a release date before they've been tried, found guilty, and sentenced? It's a bit incoherent, your post.
I also have a son about the same age as Jamie was, when he was butchered.
But you and I don't share views beyond that. I belive that to rehabilitate those boys serves more good that just locking them up and throwing away the key. I do believe that they have been released a couple of years too early, but they were always going to be released eventually.
Justice isn't about emotion, it should be calculated not retaliatory.
Justice isn't about emotion, it should be calculated not retaliatory.
Man of kent, unfortunatly that is the view of the justice system and the do-gooders. The emotions of the victims,and thier familys are never taken into account and yet it seems that the emotions of these killers was taken totally into view.
Not now that the whole thing has been played up by the media, what was it like when you first heard about it.
I was about 11 at the time. I was talking with Mum and she said "you came to me crying, you were ashamed that someone your age could do something so terriable. You knew that what they had done was the most vile thing and you hated them for it..."
My feelings haven't changed on this, at all...
Frankly they deserve no aid from the government and I welcome attempts to expose their identities. They should have to life with the consequences of their actions and not be allowed to hide.
But how did you guys feel at the time?
Spade
What is wrong with wnating to do good? Don;t see that as an insult, I see that as something positive.
But you are wrong about me caring more about them than the Bulgers. I couldn't give a stuff about their hurt emotions. I hope they spend the rest of their natural lives looking over their shoulder waiting to be exposed. A living hell. Much worse than jail, because in this instance it is their own mind that will be their punishment.
As for hoping they get exposed, what will this achieve? Vigilante acts and not a good basis for justice. That is WHY we have courts, and laws etc.
My emotions haven't changed, I am still horrified by what they did. In fact more so, now I am a father. But I don't want them dead and I don;t want them exposed. I want them to live with themselves. To feel fear - every single day, for the rest of their lives.
I believe that the best punishment is best served by one's conscience, and one's mind. Far more effective than locking people up. If you make them a prisoner of their own mind then there can be NO escape. Ever.
I'm not religious but I would direct you to read Dante's 'Inferno', it describes hell and the levels of hell. Right at the end, the lowest (worst) level of hell is Judas, alying on his back looking up, eyes wide to picture the enormity of the crime he committed.
To live your life not knowing if the phone ringing of door knocking is someone coming to expose the true you must be a living hell. In this case justice is served.
"Her hair reminds me of a warm, safe place
Where, as a child I'd hide"
http://www.livejournal.com/~manofkent
I have never even heard about this little guy or about this horrific act of violence until today. Probably because I was 13 at the time the accident happened, but now, at 26 with a 2.5 year old child of my own, I found it hard to control the tears from streaming down my face, as I read the details of Jamie's murder. Which now, I guess I wish I hadn't read, because even at my age, I've never heard of such malicious torture. I also work with children of all ages, and have extensive experience dealing with 10 year olds. There is absolutely no way, these two little boys, should be getting out of jail...ever. They knew what they were doing, obviously, because they talked about it prior, and attempted to take another little boy before Jamie. Kids are aware of a lot more things now a days, then they were several years ago. This is the problem with the world today. Do you honestly think either one of these boys, or I guess teenagers now, are going to go out into the world and make a positive difference?? Or do you think their "once" sick and twisted mind may return one day, to cause another henious crime? I'd rather just keep them locked up and not find out. We have enough criminals running free in the world, that don't have skeletons such as these in their closets, that I don't think we need these two freed.
This is so unbelievable...the justice system is damaged. And really needs to look at this a little harder, I don't care if your 10, 25, 50, or 85...murder is murder...heck, I don't even know what you'd call what these two did...I don't think there's a word to sum this up.
It seems inevitable that these two boys will get a "get out of jail" card, new names, some $ (which, hello, let's reward them for they're behavior), and get to start their lives over. Meanwhile, Jamie's family and friends get to live out the rest of their lives, having nightmarish flashbacks of the day their little angel was violently taken away from them.
Oh...I'm sure the other two will have flashbacks as well. I just hope that when they get out they get the chance to view all of these not so kind words that people have to say about them, and one day, if they make it that long, they may marry, and have a child...then their whole world will change, as they will now view it from the other side of the tracks.
I have absolutely no tolerance for crimes such as this, and obviously no compassion for these two boys. I'd like to see them live out the rest of their lives in away that they only wished it was them and not Jamie that horrible tragic day. Oh yeah...one more thing...Where in the world was the parental control and influence in these boys first 10 years??? I don't think a parent just overlooks certain behaviors that would lead your child to commit a crime such as this.
I feel for Jamie's family and friends, and pray for justice and God's healing onto them during this difficult time and always.
Not only that, the issues are old, it's past relevance. SECOND TIME recently, this nad the BCC thread.
Ffs.
dude... threads dead