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Corporal and capital punishment
BillieTheBot
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Why is it that criminals are being let off with light sentences which have no reflection upon their original crime? Why dont we treat criminals "like for like" by punishing them in a way that will deter them and others from commiting crimes?
I perosnally think that rapists and murderes should be hanged in public as an example to the rest of society, petty thieves should be "encouraged" not to thieve again and child molestors should have their genitals removed. Forget what human rights protestors say, I feel that as soon as these people committed their crime against humanity, any rights they have should be removed. Your views please.....
I perosnally think that rapists and murderes should be hanged in public as an example to the rest of society, petty thieves should be "encouraged" not to thieve again and child molestors should have their genitals removed. Forget what human rights protestors say, I feel that as soon as these people committed their crime against humanity, any rights they have should be removed. Your views please.....
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By punishing someone you often only get more hatred. And hatred does not make things better.
I believe humans are a bit like animals (yea yea, I know we are animals too <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"> ) and if you come home discovering that your dog was chewing your shoes it would not realize why you were punishing it if you would decide to punish it at that time. You would need to find the root of the "crime" and solve it from there.
And what do you mean by "encouraging" thiefes not to committing their crime again? Want to beat them up, cut off a bodypart or..?
Many of them are stealing to get money to cost drugs, how could beating them up(or whatever you ment) make their addiction go away? Then there are people that steal to make a living.
On the other hand, I believe that life sentences are a waste of money. _IF the one is 100% guilty of murdering someone_ why not take their life instead of locking htem up and spending fortunes on waiting for them to pass away?
And since I'm kinda tired I wont say anything more... I'm not even going to read what I wrote so... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">
Enjoy the new year!
-Faf
I fly like Wilma!!!
Britain's crime rate at the moment is the highest in Western Europe and rapidly overtaking America's. Nottingham, the city I live in has the third highest crime rate in the country after London and Birmingham.
And as for people stealing for drugs, they are the worst kind, why should I, after spending time earning my wage, have it stolen by some stupid spaced out junkie? I dont care if they are helplessly addicted, it doesn't give them the right to steal someone else's money so they can get high. I'm not bothered about druggies, if they want to kill themselves then fine, I am bothered when what they do starts to affect the rest of society. The "encouragment" I was talking about would involve physical punishment, something that would leave a lasting reminder about why that person has been punished, for example the UAE's use of removing a thief's left hand. Im not talking about doing something as brutal, but something that will deter people from committing crime.
I don't look at that as the right thing to do, you need to look at the whole picture, not only a part of it to solve problems.
Here in Iceland, and I know that it's not the only country, you would not solve the drug users stealing by getting them and beating the hell out of them. Who are the ones that actually get them into it? Those are the people that need to be caught. There are always people blind enough to go into stealing things worth alot more than the drugs they are stealing it for.
So why punish them for being desparate? I would rather take the big numbers off the streets and then start picking up the addicts, not the other way around.
I would not like everyone to see that I used to be an addict that stole because I didn't have any money. To bear it with me everywhere I'd go would get the people against me and would that be more fair if I had changed my mind and somehow be helped out of my hell?
-Faf
if you're lucky
that's a punishment
give me the chair any day
LIFE: Quite interesting in parts, but no substitute for the real thing
after all sending another being to thier death under law amounts to legalised murder. noone has the right to take a life. But human nature and emotion will always want "eye for an eye" attitude. We should be mindful of the past and our rate of bad convictions.
What if we'd sent the Guildford 4 or the Birmingham 6 to death how would we have bought them back ? at least now they have the right to freedom. This is proved in the case of Dick Bently. http://www.lineone.net/newswire/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi/skynews/uk/story/1998/7/c--1998-7-30-3n9.html
Would you send everyone to the execution chamber ? would you only allow sane people mentally retarded people, or what about minors, like http://www.lineone.net/newswire/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi/skynews/uk/story/1999/9/c--1999-9-24-0n36.html
I personally can not condone the murder of another life, even if it's lawfull or unlawfull.
As far as I am concearned with the child abuser / rapists having their testicles removed, all well and good in theory ( I and many other friends I have who have also been abused agree that it's not the answer)but what about the sexual offenders who are women, what do you remove then ?. As Derby County has said they can be steralised by drugs and treated with drugs. But the standpoint I take along with most of my friends who've been at the hands of callous assholes, is lock them away from society for the rest of their natural life tp sit in their cell and think about what torture they have inflicted.
Natural life custodial sentences IMHO should be imposed on all serious crimes, murderers, sex offenders, serious violent crimes & repeated offenders.
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
It's better to regret things you've done than things you haven't.
You call it lawful murder. I call it justice. I feel that if a person knows that the worst punishment they will recieve is to sit in a prison cell, living off the state and recieving free meals and shelter then they will not be deterred. If they knew that their actions would carry the ultimate punishment then they would not carry out those actions.
As for minors, sane/retarded people, why make a distinction? They have still taken a life, why should they be happy in the knowledge that they will be getting off lightly because of their age or mental disposition. Most paedophiles and child abusers claim to have a mental disorder of some discription when they don't, but that doesnt stop us punishing them. Im not saying the death penalty should be used for all murders, but should be used lightly, a once a decade sort of thing in extreme circumstances, mass killing, child killing, child rape, that sort of thing.
As for the removal of anatomy, how many women do you know that can rape somebody?
I doubt we will ever solve this problem, but the as far as I am concerned, people should be punished for their actions with no chance of reprieve.
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
Dont u want to see the person/people who committed a crime against you punished?
In My Humble Opinion !!
Where the fuck did I sugest i didn't want Justice ? I think you should read my post more thoroughly.
There is a huge diference between justice and retribution. I don't want him frying in a chair for what he did to me. One day i will have the strength to go press charges and it'll be sooner than later. I'd rather him rot in jail taken away from society and made to think about what he's done.
besides what's more important plugging these assholes into the national grid or helping out the victims ?
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
Now if u start dishing the death penalty out to car thieves n shoplifters n house burglars(not saying this should ever happen) it would more than likely cut crime by 90% straight away. A person who can commit a crime that id call real wrong isnt gonna not do it cos they might get sentenced to death, they do it then think l8r
hmmm bollox... no offense m8, but thats bull shit, Nottingham has a comparatively low crime rate, I know the top 3 r London Manchester n Glasgow, then I would imagine Birmingham mayb, but Nottingham... not up there m8
Are you doing A-level geography? Have you just done this topic as part of your syllabus? No. When anyone says crime rate, it is per 1000 population, it is a percentage. Nottingham's total crime may be lower then another city's, but that is because we will have a lower population. Glasgow, just so you know isnt an English city, it is a Scottish one. When you do crime figures for one country (England) you dont include crime figures for another country. There are only 2 other cities in England with a higher crime rate per 1000 people, they are London then Birmingham. Manchester is below Nottingham by a long shot. And you really arent in any position to comment on somebody else's world knowledge if you dont know who Monica Lewinsky is....
As for the topic, a previous post mentioned murders will murder someone despite the punishment. If this is the case then surely you would want them removed permanently from society so they can't be released in ten years. If they can do it once then they can do it again, and if what you said is true, then they surely will do it again. Do we want these people in our society? I dont and Im sure you dont either. As for dealing with petty offenders, do you remember branding? Im sure a thief would think twice if he knew that when he is caught he will have "THIEF" tattoed in big letters across his forehead? It may sound brutal but if you think about it, it would be extremely effective.
I think the monica Lewinsky thing might just have been a joke <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">
Below are a few replies from the topic that agrees that serious and persistant offenders need to be taken away from society because of their crimes.
You seem to think the only answer is to plug them into the national grid. which is more expensive to keep a death row inmate than a normal inmate, because of the constant appeals and stays of execution.
Maybe it's me but I fail to see any rational reason behind your argument in bringing back the death penalty. May I ask why you feel so strongly in favour ? have been been a victim ? has someone close to you been murdered? .
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
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Why do i feel strongly about capital and corporal punishment?I have to say I feel more strongly about corporal punishment, when I say kill people for their crimes, I only mean if they really deserve it, if they is unmistakeable proof that they are guilty, and if they are likely to do it again.
As for corporal punishment, it is a far more attractive option, leaving a criminal with a lifelong reminder, for example branding with a tattoo or something similar. I know it sounds brutal, but it will remind them of their crime for life and show others what sort of person he or she really is. I was a victim of mugging a few months ago, it left me feel shaken, and wanting revenge. If I ever saw him again I'd want to leave him with a lasting reminder of what a bastard he really is. Im sure other victims of crime would feel the same way.
Ok, maybe we could forget about the death penalty, but I think that corporal punishment would be an effective way of deterring crime. Would you mug someone if you knew you would have "MUGGER" tattoed on your forehead? It would isolate you from society, forcing you to reflect on your crime at little expense to the government. You would have the option of paying for its removal at your own expense, meaning it would not be permanent. However, Im sure you'll make a point that rich criminals such as drug dealers could afford the treatment, so a minimum period could be introduced. I dont know, as it is only a suggestion, but it would mean criminals are treated with the respect they deserve if they go out in public.
No doubt once the tabloids free their minds and then the rest of society will accept another media hyped social hysteria. it wasn't so many years ago that society struggled to accept sexual assault on young girls let alone little boys. it wasn't so many years ago Date rape wasn't "seen" need I go on ? below are a couple of links that might highlight the unseen.
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/collateral/article19.html
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/secasa/workers/html/koonin_taboo.html
We have to Jack Straw has signed away the right to reintroduce the death penalty to this country, as I talked about earlier.
Nice in theory, but the one thing to remember is that most criminals don't give a shit about society and societies values, which is why they break the law. They are selfish groups and individuals that only want to saisfy their lusts regardless of whom it hurts in the process. Agreed they need to be taken out of society, the only way though must be imprisonment.
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
i have shoplifted, done drugs, stolen from people, been a vandal, assaulted people (not defenceless old women or people who couldnt stick up for them selves aginst me) and maybe a few other things i cant think of right now,
does this mean i should have it tattoed all over my face so everyone can see what a **** i am,
i've done all these things not because thats the sort of person i am, but because of problems i have had in the past and because of friends,
as for the how many women do you know that could rape someone,
well,
if i was that sort of person and wanted to rape someone i know i could do it for one, and i'm sure a lot of other females on here could manage it too.
Dense fuck.. look at what u wrote b4 u correct me... N if u want u 2 back these crime statistics up with fact, cos I dont believe it for shit as a while back I was told that Manchester had a higher crime <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif">opulation ration than London.
Also I got a mate in Nottingham, I been out for enuff nites up their, havnt seen 1 stabbing, 1 shooting, 1 burning car or 1 bloke lying practically dead on the floor.
Seen a few fights up there, not really that good either.
n I know in Reading I'm gonna c at lest a stabbing in a nite out even in the nicest areas. Can say my m8 from Nottingham was pretty shit scared on a night out down here n he ended up wanting to go to Oxford most of the other times he's been down here, that aint even in London.
But yeah if n e 1 could find out some crime statistics, I'd b well interested to see them, even if I'm wrong
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Here's your proof you "dense fuck" as you so aptly put it.
Dataset1
Crimes per 1000 population
Avon & Somerset 101.53
Bedfordshire 88.86
Cambridgeshire 94.43
Cheshire 66.31
Cleveland 120.59
Cumbria 81.69
Derbyshire 87.48
Devon & Cornwall 71.32
Dorset 76.73
Durham 82.87
Essex 62.90
Gloucestershire 86.19
Hampshire 72.77
Hertfordshire 56.57
Humberside 147.72
Kent 82.59
Lancashire 82.88
Leicestershire 100.53
Lincolnshire 75.35
Norfolk 72.96
Northamptonshire 107.27
North Yorkshire 74.98
Nottinghamshire 131.04
Staffordshire 86.69
Suffolk 59.87
Surrey 54.14
Sussex 87.67
Thames Valley 84.61
Warwickshire 76.42
West Mercia 72.61
Wiltshire 63.72
Dyfed-Powys 51.45
Gwent 105.47
North Wales 66.84
South Wales 109.06
Greater Manchester 140.93
Merseyside 99.67
Northumbria 105.79
South Yorkshire 102.00
West Midlands 119.59
West Yorkshire 129.76
Metropolitan Police 123.54
Northern Ireland 35.66
It appears that Humberside has the greatest with Nottingham in third after Manchester. Beating BOTH LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM (west midlands in case you dont know)
I'll accept you were right about Manchester, but you weren't about Birmingham or London. Want anymore stats? I can get them if you like.If you think I have made these up goto http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/xsdataset.asp and check for yourself.
Then you are a criminal.
Simple as that. Just because someone can stick up for themselves doesn't make them a target, I coud have stuck up for myself if the bastard who mugged me didnt have a knife.
You can't blame your actions on your friends, everything you do has a conscequence, and in this day and age of equal rights for women, women would recieve the same punishments. If you want equality, you get equality.
If you are truly sorry for the things you did and it is all in your past then you dont need to drag it up here. If you still engage in criminal activities because of your so called "friends" then I have no sympathy for you.
May I suggest counselling as you seem to be very angry and upset (rightly so) about your mugging than having a pop at other members of the site (we do not like judgemental attitudes here). Your story highlights my point all along. It's very well punishing for wrong doings, but help for the victim is the most impotant part.
The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
It happened a long time ago, but thanx for the concern. I am get upset when people try to defend their actions without feeling remorse or by blaming it on others. Criminals who blame it on society or their parents or next door's dog.
Im sure if I ever saw the mugger again he would tell me it was his brother's fault for stealing a toy when he was 3, and in this day and age the jury would believe him. I apologise to spirit for being judgmental if she truly is a reformed character, but on reflection her being on this site giving help to others is probably proof of that. Again Spirit, I am sorry if you no longer lead your life of crime. But like I said before, I have no sympathy for criminals who refuse to accept responsibility, or live in denial.
I hope you don't all view me as the Facist of the site because of my views, as if you read some of my other posts I can be quite helpful and understanding. But when I looked at the politics page i thought "great, somewhere I can have a proper discussion that wont dissolve into argument". I admit I have strong political views, but they are my views, and my whole reason for being on this part of the site is to discuss my views and other people's views as well.
I been mugged countless times, stabbed twice in the process almost had my neck slit cos of it robbed beaten shitless a fair few times.
Only 2 weeks ago christmas eve I got beaten up in Glasgow n mugged when I was in their with my cousin who was 13.
I just expect it. I dont mind it, u obviously just live in some protected world.. it happens, all the time, I aint no small bloke n I can look after myself, n only bout 1/4 of the times have they been succesful, I'm not the sorta bloke u'd look at n mug in otherwords.
But u gotta expect it 1 or 2 times.. mayb in nice places... e.g. Nottingham it dont happen, but round some places I know, u can b expected to b mugged 3 times in a night.
Worst example of this is a friend of mine(16) got mugged 7 times walking home when he missed his bus.
Dont get so worked up... it happens.
someone tried to mug me once but he didn't get anything but a cut eyebrow for his troubles.
Ok for 1... I called u a dense fuck bcos u corrected me saying Glasgow had a high crime rate n that Glasgow wasnt counted. wheras u originally said Britain.
Those statistics, u brought up Birmingham so it wasnt my mistake. I recall saying Manchester was higher than London in another post so I was right there, fair enuff u seem right bout the nottinghamshire point.. which IO cant believe altho it seems right.
If u do feel like digging round for more facts I wouldnt mind seeing the stats for the actual cities/towns in the country also. n mayb the types of crimes that r committed.
dont bother if u dont wanna c em, but I'd b interested mite try n look around myself.
I'd be interested in the stats for Newcastle & Spennymoor
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I couldn't be bothered with "clicking here"
and, you did actually say Britain, as Daze pointed out (sorry to be petty lol).
j9
Fair does i am a criminal!
First of all when i was talking about assault i was talking about fighting, I have never attacked someone or mugged them, i have fought with people and done them dmage in the process.
I dont blame my friends, i just think they have been an influence on my behaviour, and i also think they way that i have been brought up, sorry dragged up hase been an influence on it as well, and if i ever did something really bad i would be prepared to pay the price for that.
I never said anything about me not being punished and that i didnt think i should because i was a woman or anything like that. Not once did i bring up equality!
I wouldnt say i am 'truly sorry' for the things i have done, the drugs for instance they have kept me going for so long and in a way they have sort of been my reason for getting up in the morning, stopped me form going over the edge when i was having a lot of shit. It may be hard for oyu to understand but you dont know the things i have been through.
My friends are not 'so called friends' they are my friends, we are there for each other we try to support each other, some of us might be a bad influence on each other but never the less we are friends all the same, like i said above, my friends arent the reason i have done some of the things i have done, they have just been an influence and i may have been an influence on them too, and i do still engage in criminal activities in a way, because i lnow hundreds of people that have done things and they could get sent down for so im covering up for them, but they are my FRIENDS , and I may not be well right now but when i am the first thing im gonna be doing is smoking a spliff, but dont you go getting worried cos i earn my money and it wont be affecting you in anyway!
Oh and on elast thign i dont want your sympathy anyway thank you very much!
I will try and find the types of crimes from my dad.
Maybe Nottingham scores higher because of shootings or burglaries, I dont know. All I know is that the number of violent crimes in the city centre itself has dropped since last year. Last year 12 people were shot outside of a club so they police decided to send patrol men and cars into the centre of the town, which has had a huge effect. MOst of the crime that does happen now happens in The Meadows, St Anns and Radford. And If I remember rightly these are down to violent assaults and burglaries. So maybe Reading scores higher in robbery (mugging for those who dont know) but lower in other types. All I know is that whenever somebody from the Meadows or St Anns is being tried for one of the serious things they have armed police outside the crown court....
So lets forget the argument about city has more crime. I'll try and find the types of crime later.
It isnt working because you also have to select the "per 1000 population" that is in the second box.