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DOWN WITH PAEDOPHILES

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
(sorry about the spelling)
I'm an english student at Yale and I've been studying a report about child molesters.
Anyway, did you know that they tried to get sex with children legalised and themselves recoginised as homosexuals?
So they go around saying that children want sex with them, and that they are "kind people". If anyone reacts to their little games they cry "HOMOPHOBIA".
How did they honestly think that they'd get away with that?
I know a few gay people and I'm pretty sure that they are nothing like paedophiles. paedophiles exploit children and abuse their power over them. They are sick and stupid to even think that child abuse is gonna be legalised.
They should have tougher laws against these people, they destroy children and take away the only possesion they are born with, innocence. I don't know any of these people and I know I'm extremely prejudiced against them.
Wot u lot think?

IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS THE WORD...

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We have allready had a child abuse topic, it was not a very pleasant one, with board members at each others throats. Look it up but dont reply cos we don't want it dragged up again. And it would be better if no-one took too much notice of this post, I doubt there will be any differences of opinion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    OMG Harry! u r obviously still not thinking b4 u post.

    Everyone has the right to come in here and discuss whatever they want. The subject of paedophilia is a very intense one and raises lots of angry emotions but that is no reason to make light of the subject and try to stop it being discussed.

    So you got slammed b4 for because when someone asked what laws we should change you said we should go easier on paedophiles.

    This is obviously why you would like this subject to die.

    Well I'm sorry to have to piss on your fireworks Harry but this subject will never die. The more ppl talk about it the better because talking about about it will become less taboo. This means that the victims of child abuse can be made more comfortable talking about it.

    How would you feel if you had been sexually abused and every time you tried to talk about it to someone they responded with 'Oh I don't want to talk about that disgusting subject!' ?

    If this happened to you it would make you feel dirty and guilty.

    The sooner we can discuss these issues openly the better. The more taboo the subject is made, the more the victims will stay quiet and the abusers will get away with their dirty deeds! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Peadophiles should have their dicks chopped off.... It's fucking sick, I think murdering some's better than some1 fucking a kid.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if it raises angry emotions then try not to think about it, I keep thoughts of these people out of my minds, I dont read reports on child abuse cases as it only get me worked up and it gets on my nerves when people tell me what these pricks have been doing as I dont really want get worked up.
    gwai, I allready explained that I meant give them mental support rather that throwing them straight into jail when I said that, stop dragging it up.

    Like i said, there will be no difference in opinion and posting this topic will only create anger when people hear from others what dirty shit they've been up to.

    maybe we shouldn't be mates, gwai, we seem destined never to get along.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    shouldn't be given mental support... shouldn't be given n e support cept maybe a rope hanging from a beam tied ride there neck
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Like I said before, this subject should not be skirted around because it just makes the victims feel worse. We shouldn't make taking about it a taboo.

    Thats all I have to say and that is definitely my last word on this.

    As for thinking we shouldn't be mates, Harry that is entirely your decision. I have many friends that have differing opinions to mine and we get along just great and the only reason I dragged up what your initial view was is because u r still denying what you initially said.

    The question was 'If you could change any law what would you change?' and you replied that we should go easier on paedophiles. I think that speaks entirely for itself. Whatever you said afterwards to try and get out of what you initially said is another thing. But hey ho!

    You have declared your wish to end our friendship and all I can say is your loss! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Think u 2 should chill out a bit... Even if Harry did say it which he mighta done, he obviously didn't mean what he said or he just put it accross wrong...
    not his fault no point arguing bout it just drop it..
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Obviously, you do have inseperable differences on the subject, so dragging it all up again, although i haven`t read what went on before, ain`t gonna help.
    What do you think about what the News of the World did?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know that if anyone ever did anything to my children, the psychological problems of the guy would not be at the top of my shopping list.

    I always shy away from any form of violence but just thinking about it makes me sooo angry. What right does anyone have to strip a child of their innocence just to gratify their need, be it physical or psychological.

    They know it's wrong otherwise they wouldn't threaten the child not to tell. If they know they have this problem, why do they not do something about it instead of forging ahead, giving in to their feelings and destroying peoples lives.

    If anyone did it to one of my children, it would be my sole aim in life to kill them, painfully, having somehow found a way of filling them with fear first. Afterwards, of course, I could claim diminished responsibility due to the extreme stress.

    J9

    J9
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I find child abuse absolutely disgusting. I think child abusers are evil monsters who should never again be given the chance to roam the streets.

    I think that anyone who can contemplate raping a little girl or boy is so sick in the head that they can't really be called a person. I realise that many people (I hope) feel the same way, and that a lot of people have a very strong "gut reaction" to this topic.

    While I realise that disgust and wanting to kill and tourture the twisted fuck who could do something like this are the first two instincts of any mature person faced with this issue, this can stop people discussing it rationally.

    We could all sit here dreaming up new ways to torture paedophiles. While they probably deserve it, it doen't help the victims or understanding of topic.

    I agree with GwaiMui when she says that this can leave the victims feeling shuned, something normal people don't want to talk about.

    I do think though that harry might have a point when he says that these people should be given help. Not just because perhaps they can be punished far better if they realise the true horror of what they have done.

    Also because if these people have something in common about their early lives, maybe potential paedophiles could be spotted early on and monitered carefully.

    Although it is far more natural to instinctively want to murder these people, perhaps more children can be protected from these guys if they are studied first.

    Just an idea, what do you think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I hate child abuse.
    I think child abusers should be punished.

    I do not think smacking a child is child abuse.

    I think anyone capable of child abuse must be sick in the head.

    I wonder if it is right to punish someone for being mental?

    I think people who get pleasure from acts of (especially child) abuse are a danger.

    A paedophile is someone who fancies "children". I see nothing wrong with that in itself.

    How do we define children in relation to paedophiles? - I guess we mumble something about maturity.

    How does the law define children in relation to paedophiles? - it sets an age - 16?

    Is an 18 year old who has sex with a 14 year old a paedophile?

    What if the 14 year old said they were 16?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is something wrong with fancying children if it makes you go out and sexually abuse them.

    It makes me so angry hearing people say it is ok as I have come from an abusive background myself.

    I for one am not going to reply to this post again because I will never be able to stop writing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Spirit:
    There is something wrong with fancying children if it makes you go out and sexually abuse them.

    I totally agree.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    they all want nailing to a wall and left for the public to do as they please to the perv!!!

    The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think there's something that most of you don't realise. First, I agree that paedophilia is disgusting and there are few things more horrific in this world.

    Also because if these people have something in common about their early lives, maybe potential paedophiles could be spotted early on and monitered carefully.

    Studies of paedophiles, and masses of psychiatric (etc.) analysis on them have been done - not surprising really. I believe what most studies actually show is that a huge proportion of paedophiles have been sexually abused themselves, and the vast majority if not sexually abused at the very least abused in some other way. This gives support to a view not that far away from Harry's - these people really do need help. Most of these people are already victims themselves, though yes, many of them may be so damaged and fucked up they need keeping away from children forever.

    Given that far more abuse comes from parents or 'friends of the family' than from children's homes, it's also sobering to realise that the public really are targeting the wrong people, or at least not the majority of the people they should be (depending on your opinion of the masses and how they act when 'targeting' someone <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; ). Children's homes are of course a very unpleasant problem because the children involved are already damaged and vulnerable, maybe by existing sexual abuse. They are supposed to be more protected there, not targeted by child abusers.

    If you don't believe me about the above, I'm sure I can find some statistics / studies to back up the above (both in terms of child abuse by parents/relatives and in terms of paedophiles being abused as children themselves).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Something I forgot to mention just now... the point about most abusers being parents / relatives / friends of the family? I meant to add that people don't like to see or even consider that things like that could be happening right next door or even in their own family, so they don't look. And these things keep happening generation after generation.

    It's easy to demonise and blame a list of people produced by the government and / or a tabloid piece of crap (better be careful or I might get sued for libel <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; ), but it's not actually a useful way of dealing with the problem. Because when you elevate those people away from being people to being simply 'evil', you blind yourself to the possibility of 'normal' people in your community doing the same thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know I said i wouldnt reply again but im sure i can limit myself to a few lines or something.
    I have had a well fucked up and shit childhood, but I know for a fact I wouldnt wish anything that happened to me on another child, I had no one to teach me family values or anything but I am turning out ok.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh yeah and the other thing, I cant mention any names or anything because o legal implications but I came into contact with a little boy not so long ago who was asking me things like where did my daddy kiss me and what games do I play with him and things you wouldnt even dare to think of. Now I know that any person in thier right mind would report something like that, like I did.
    I mean honestly come on who here would turn a blind eye if they thought a neighbour or family memeber or friend was getting abused in some way because I know I wouldn't and I think any1 whowould is just as bad as the person comitting the crime in the first place!!!!!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Spirit:
    ... who here would turn a blind eye if they thought a neighbour or family memeber or friend was getting abused in some way because I know I wouldn't and I think any1 whowould is just as bad as the person comitting the crime in the first place!!!!!!

    The point is that people don't think someone they know is getting abused. I've known families where there's been sexual abuse that the rest of the family hasn't known about after for literally decades.

    I disagree that it's as bad as committing the crime in the first place: in your case it seems to have been fairly obvious, but it's not always. Most people would never want to even think of their partner (e.g. husband) abusing their own child so they miss the little clues that might let them notice for far longer than they should. It's one thing to blame them for doing this - but it means emotionally their whole world will collapse around them when they do realise, so subconciously they cannot accept (and therefore consider) it.

    Also when families do realise what's been going on they sometimes try to rectify what's gone on internally (by splitting up or whatever, or even throwing out the victim if they don't/can't believe what they say) and hush things up because they're so ashamed of what's happened that they feel they're at fault and will be ostracised if other people find out, even though child abusers are often extremely clever at deception and making people not see the truth.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    (Replying to Spirit's posts in reverse order...)
    Originally posted by Spirit:
    I know I said i wouldnt reply again but im sure i can limit myself to a few lines or something.
    I have had a well fucked up and shit childhood, but I know for a fact I wouldnt wish anything that happened to me on another child, I had no one to teach me family values or anything but I am turning out ok.

    We've already said we think you're great. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    I never said everyone who was abused as a child turned out like that. Amongst other things I said that a lot of (I think most) people who do turn out like that have been very seriously abused, and so the problem isn't as simple as calling them evil.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I've said before on this subject, & I saw gwai re-itterate it herslef earlier. The important thing is no what to do with the abuser's but what to do with the victims of abuse. I have spent the last 12 or so weeks in hospital trying to put me on the road to recovery, following abuse I suffered as a toddler, and a rape at 14. nothing helped because the places I went "weren't equipped to deal with something so traumatic" or perhaps just plain ol didn't want to. Since I have been out I have attempted suicide twice. by having my problems swept way by the health system's it's reinforcing the right to the secrets and lies that have been hdden for so long. Surely before true justice can be dished out to these assholes I need to be able to cope. What's more important, me and any other vitctims right to take back control of thier life, or punishment of the scum ?.

    LUKA

    Ps. for anyone who thinks or knows they have been abused but can't face talking to someone, there are some very good books. I can recomend the following:

    The right to innocence
    Healing the trauma of childhood sexual abuse
    by Beverly Engel, M.F.C.C
    Ivy Books
    ISBN 0-8041-0585-5




    The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LUKA:
    As I've said before on this subject, & I saw gwai re-itterate it herslef earlier. The important thing is no what to do with the abuser's but what to do with the victims of abuse. I have spent the last 12 or so weeks in hospital trying to put me on the road to recovery, following abuse I suffered as a toddler, and a rape at 14. nothing helped because the places I went "weren't equipped to deal with something so traumatic" or perhaps just plain ol didn't want to.


    There must be a facility in this country more suited to your experiences than Priory & the NHS. We will find it. Don't give up Luka.

    j9


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by j9j9:
    There must be a facility in this country more suited to your experiences than Priory & the NHS. We will find it. Don't give up Luka.

    j9


    There is but they don't want to waste their money on me there. tight *****

    luka


    The river is wide and oh so deep. I've been walking around in tears, No answers arethere to get. Cause between this world and eternity there is a face I hope to see
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd just like to point out that while paedophilia is obviously one of the worst things imaginable, the way we react to it is also pretty tragic.

    I speak of a group of people who went round to a medical practice and seriously beat up a paedeotrician (child doctor) because the words looked similar

    i can't help but get the feeling that people just like to have someone to blame everything on, yes paedophiles are the worst kind of people, but are people just using them as an excuse for random anger and violence?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    think ur right there m8. Better than beating up jerries though and being racist.
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