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Do u think Northern Ireland should be part of the UK
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What is ur views on Northern Ireland. Is it just not worth the trouble or should it still remain part of the United Kingdom? Is Tony Blair just trying to break up whats left of the British Empire?
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If you read all of Harry's posts, ross, you will come to realise that your rash statement is unfounded.
Aynway, what is your view in relation to your question?
J9
[This message has been edited by j9j9 (edited 19-09-2000).]
My position on Northern Ireland is that is should remain part of the UK. I think the main problem is that the english don't fully understand the problems here. If we are to become a United Ireland all the protestants will be ethnic cleansed by the catholics and the already rule enough countries with their wrong religion.
And as for all that Catholic and Protestant crap, all I have to say is that all religions suck!
And if you are some sort of Christian, I thought you weren't supposed to have hatred in your heart.
Oh well. Maybe you should get outdoors more often.
Personally it is not that I don't understand, I don't particularly give a shit about societies that become so consumed by religion that they destroy themselves. Like Harry said, 'leave em to it'.
Like I have said before, the bible is a dangerous book and it should've been overthrown a long time ago. But that is just my opinion.
If u r gonna hate me for that, it just proves my theory about what religion does to people.
I don't hate anyone, I am a good person and I don't need your destructive 'god' to show me how to be a decent human being.
Stop hating and stop trying to convert people from their beliefs to yours just because you think they are better.
If you all just leave eachother alone and get on with your own lives and beliefs everything will be just fine.
Man! you guys r like rival mafia gangs or sometin! Your 'god' must be disgusted!
This obviously is a very sensitive issue, but one that has to be seen from both sides.
Until 1922 Ireland as a whole was ruled from Britain as one of its colonies.
Between the years 1916 and 1921 Irish nationalists waged a combined political and military campaign against British occupation.
In 1920 partition (dividing Ireland into two sections - the 26 southern and the 6 northeastern counties) was imposed by a British Act of Parliament.
However the consent of the Irish people was never sought. It was never freely given. The partition of Ireland was merely an innovation of the British government's tried and trusted colonial strategy of divide and rule, used throughout its former colonial empire.
Partition brought with it reaction as the northern state became a highly sectarian state in which Catholics felt as if they were treated as second class citizens as part of the state ideology.
However the southern state in turn developed into a Catholic version of the north, going as far as to give the Catholic church a special place in the constitution.
In the north the working class was split along sectarian lines and sectarian riots resulted in workers living in sharply segregated communities.
I appreciate 'ulstermen' want to remain part of the United Kingdom. Whilst the Irish will assert that it should rejoin as a United Ireland.
Better people than I have attempted to reach an agreement re Northern Ireland that satisfies all. This of course is impossible within such a divided country.
As for whether it should remain within the Union, it will do so as long as Parliament continues to say it should.
Derby - you really are the font of all knowledge aren't you. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif">
ross - just checked your profile, well, your website is reall going to help me stop smoking. NOT. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif">
sorry ross, but i get upset when someone has a pop at one of my buddies, how can you state that you are interested in "anything" when in such a short time you have shown that you are so obviously not.
Take it easy man, calm down and accept.
J9
Well thats my view anyway. Cya
As long as hatred exists because of religious differences, I supose it doesn't matter whether NI belongs to Eire or Britain.
I met an Irish guy once who had a simple answer to the 'troubles',
"Close all the churches and open all the pubs"
[This message has been edited by dirty_harry (edited 22-09-2000).]
How can the caring english be evil when we dont run around the streets with AK-47s shooting people in the face because they dont believe what we want them to. You are like all your people. Oppresive. You kill people in you own country and have a go at people over the internet who dont agree with everytihng you say.
So what if im a druggy, at least im only killing myself and not other people.
No offence to DUMDUM is intended through my comments on religion.
[This message has been edited to make it a whole lot better by dirty_harry (edited 22-09-2000).]
[This message has been edited by dirty_harry (edited 22-09-2000).]
Now compare this to what dumdum has posted
Ummm very different views freely given - if they are representative of the gulf that exists, one of these seems to be well thought out, the other..........
Hope i haven't offended any1. Bye.
I completely echo Gwai's comments.
Dumdum, you should stand for election to the Assembly - 'the voice of reason'
I don't think i would be suited to a life of politics though cause i usually dont get in2 talking about the whole political state of n.i. , and many better ppl have tried and failed to sort the whole thing out.
but the whole thing pisses me off and sumtimes i just have 2 let ppl know what i think, how can ppl be so prejudiced against other ppl because of religion ??
But i just felt i had 2 put my point of view out incase u all thought every1 in n.i. was like ross. The majority of ppl just wanna live in peace.
Well thanx anyway. Bye.
This is such a difficult one to resvole as both sides don't want to be seen to be giving in. I reckon they should set Northern Ireland free as an independent state. That way Ireland's problem will be with the Northern Irish and not the UK. Then NI can be protected by the UN and the UK will no longer be seen as bully boy imperialists.
1-Leave it as it is
2-Leave them alone to kill themselves. However doing this will alienate the residents who want to be part of the UK. And there ARE people who want this.
3-Seize the Republic of Ireland as well. That way they will be united again but under our flag.
None of those is anything close to an ideal situation especially the last one. But what can we do? Leave them to die or stay and try and protect them from the militants?
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart.
Sorry, BH, that's an idea that'll never work, too simplistic. I'm not sure which way around it is, but I think there's more loyalists than nationalists. So NI would stay seperate. So the fighting would continue. If it's the other way around, and Ireland was re-unified, then the loyalists would probably step up their campaign against all concerned.
The violence isn't about what a simple majority of people want: there's a lot of people there who just want peace, and the violent people blatantly ignore that wish.
Maybe to ensure there's no more wars in Europe we should all unite in an European federal superstate.