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Working class? Middle class?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
What makes you what you are? I would consider myself Middle class but other people say I'm working class.

I have friends who bang on about how working class they are and I just look at them aghast wondering what they are on about as they are university graduates with educated parents who may have been 'poor' but were able to give their children so much in the way of education, self awareness and quality of life.

My dad went to a private school and his parents parents had 'staff', my mums dad was a school caretaker and they lived in a real poverty. Yet my dad 'downsized' his life and brought us up on a smallholding without a toilet, bath, regular income or television. Yet we had books and education and freedom of thought. Then my mum and dad went on to become mature students and to get well paid jobs. Both me and my sister went to university and now I have my own house and a fab job....so what am I.

How do I define my class...and are there too many people pretending to be working class when they are obviously middle class?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Working class :(.

    Never had any money really. Then again i don't care much for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in the socio-political definition, working class are the blue collar manual labourers. lower middle class would be store assistants etc. upper middle class would be junior doctors/lawyers etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tweety
    Working class :(.

    Never had any money really. Then again i don't care much for it.

    Yeah - but you don't explain WHY!! Being working class is not to do with being poor, there are lots of Aristos without money but that doesn't suddenly make them working class! Take marrianne Faithful for example...she was a drug addict who lived on a wall but was from a posh family so what was she...what is she?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    Yeah - but you don't explain WHY!! Being working class is not to do with being poor, there are lots of Aristos without money but that doesn't suddenly make them working class! Take marrianne Faithful for example...she was a drug addict who lived on a wall but was from a posh family so what was she...what is she?

    on the contrary. the class system is totally based on income. it always has been. so Marianne Faithful, if she was earning big bucks, either independantly or off her family, would be considered upper class, as sad as it may seem
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    Yeah - but you don't explain WHY!! Being working class is not to do with being poor, there are lots of Aristos without money but that doesn't suddenly make them working class! Take marrianne Faithful for example...she was a drug addict who lived on a wall but was from a posh family so what was she...what is she?

    Ok My parents worked bloody hard all his life & still ended up in major debt. (Hes not alive anymore btw) My mum has always worked for a real crap wage but still supports herself.
    I Have worked from the age of 16 as i moved out of home & HAD to support myself.
    Still to this day do, never really have any money but then money to me is the root of all evil!

    There ya go, you decide what you think i am?!:confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think its a combination of wealth-job and your outlook (for lack of a better word) on life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The 'class' to which one belongs is I believe less to do with money than to do with status, education and the profession in which one works. For instance, if there was a billionnaire pimp, would he in the middle-upper class? Probably not. Whereas a High Court judge, earning about a salary of around £140,000 per year, most certainly would be.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    working class. my dad has an expression, he says it in a funny voice.

    "if you were born working class, youll die working class, if you were born middle class, you will die middle class, if you were born upper class, even if you are sleeping on the streets, you will die upper class."
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My mum has to support 3 teenagers with a crappy £370 a month but our dad gives my mum an extra £450 a month because he has to and if he didnt, we'd be on the streets.

    So there ya go.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Does anyone really care nowadays what class they are though? I can honestly say I've never given it any thought and don't give a sh*t what class I am! lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Faith
    Does anyone really care nowadays what class they are though? I can honestly say I've never given it any thought and don't give a sh*t what class I am! lol

    I agree with Faith, nobody really cares anymore, nor do i.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Working Class

    And Damn proud. Common as muck;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Faith
    Does anyone really care nowadays what class they are though? I can honestly say I've never given it any thought and don't give a sh*t what class I am! lol

    Yeah - people do and I think the group that seems to care the most are the 'working class' because I have several friends who will argue to the death about how damn working class they are as if they see it as a status thing.

    Perhaps working class is the new upper class!!:)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Money never seems to be an issue for the middle class.:chin:

    *whistles a happy tune*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Um i guess a mix between working/middle class.

    My parents never used to have much money, still dont, but we have more than we used to cos my mum changed her job.

    Rest of my family is extremely working class. Thats why im confused. Never really thought about it before anyway.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Part of my family is working class, the other part are upper/middle class.. socialise with 'sirs' and all that crap. Talk funny too.
    I'd say our family was middle/working class. Now we're skint and definatley working class. And then there is me who shall always be a pikey.. woo for living off other peoples money :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Probably middle.

    Live in the suburbs, Saab, detached house, etc.

    My dad's girlfriend is a teacher, he's an engineer/technician (I don't think it's manual labour...it's too techy for me to understand).

    My mum lives in a village, is an adminy person that's married to a foreman carpenter.

    But I'm really not sure. Yeah, middle.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Never seen anyone be so proud of "their" class, or give it so much thought as Brits tend to do. Sorry.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i'm just class.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm middle class. My parents are teachers, but in a public school. We live in a nice (huge) detached house, but only because it has 60 girls joined on the back of it in a boarding house!! when people just see the front they think we're really rich, but in actual fact we don't own the house and we don't pay any of the bills for it!
    One of my friends claims to be working class and calls me upper class all the time, just because of all this (and the fact that i went to the school my parents teach at - i'm now at 6th form college), but in my opinion we are both middle class. his parents both have respectable jobs, he lives in a nice house that we would never afford if we were buying our own house, etc etc.
    I've given up trying to argue with him though...I'd never thought about class as an issue at all until I started getting annoyed at him calling me upper class!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Exactly what I'm trying to get at...its annoying how people WANT to be Working class. Its like some kind of one-upmanship to show how working class you are and yet I believe most of my friends are middle class because they have never and will never know true deprivation!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my family are upper-middle, and those who i live with, but if you're just talking about me personally - as i student and that, id be working class.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    Exactly what I'm trying to get at...its annoying how people WANT to be Working class. Its like some kind of one-upmanship to show how working class you are and yet I believe most of my friends are middle class because they have never and will never know true deprivation!!

    But most of us, have never really thought about it until you asked.:confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by xapis
    I'm middle class. My parents are teachers, but in a public school. We live in a nice (huge) detached house, but only because it has 60 girls joined on the back of it in a boarding house!! when people just see the front they think we're really rich, but in actual fact we don't own the house and we don't pay any of the bills for it!
    One of my friends claims to be working class and calls me upper class all the time, just because of all this (and the fact that i went to the school my parents teach at - i'm now at 6th form college), but in my opinion we are both middle class. his parents both have respectable jobs, he lives in a nice house that we would never afford if we were buying our own house, etc etc.
    I've given up trying to argue with him though...I'd never thought about class as an issue at all until I started getting annoyed at him calling me upper class!

    i used to get that all the time, i used to hate how some people would come to your house and be like "wow you've got so much money", they dont realise that you have to work for what you have. Thats what i didnt like about going to the carribean, everyone there thought you lived in that 5* hotel with waiters and cleaners and things all year round, they didnt realise you had to save for a year to be able to 'wear that wrist band'!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I suppose I am middle class. I don't think money comes into it in the UK while in America I have the understanding that money buys social status. Wheras here, you could win the lottery or be a self made millionaire but still be thick as shit, read the sun (no offence meant to sun readers), decorate your house in tasteless styles and go out, get drunk and start fights.

    On the other hand, you can live in a council flat and be educated, bring your children up properly and be "middle class" in my opinion, it's about attitudes not money.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I cant imagine anyone wanting to be middle class, not for any other reason than its a harder lifestyle to live, you have to work more for the little you have. :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by PussyKatty
    I don't think money comes into it in the UK while in America I have the understanding that money buys social status. Wheras here, you could win the lottery or be a self made millionaire but still be thick as shit, read the sun (no offence meant to sun readers), decorate your house in tasteless styles and go out, get drunk and start fights.

    On the other hand, you can live in a council flat and be educated, bring your children up properly and be "middle class" in my opinion, it's about attitudes not money.
    that's stereotyping. the class system is based on annual household financial income. if a drunk, womanizer, that has bad taste and reads the sport for it's "educational value" earns enough to be in a certain class bracket, be it working class or upper class, the said drunk will be in that class.

    attitude has little to nothing, to do with it. although most people make believe that they are in a lower economic class than they are. all attitude does to social status, is make you believe you are something else, but in reality, it's your money that dictates your class.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Middle class, but not proud. And I'm a Guardianista as well, not a thick as shit Daily Mail reader.

    I think it was Orwell that said that
    "The middle classes will always be despised; by the working class because they look upwards and see their easy lifestyles and privedge, and by the upper classes because they fear and look on with contempt those nudging from below"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Dreamer3k
    that's stereotyping. the class system is based on annual household financial income. if a drunk, womanizer, that has bad taste and reads the sport for it's "educational value" earns enough to be in a certain class bracket, be it working class or upper class, the said drunk will be in that class.

    attitude has little to nothing, to do with it. although most people make believe that they are in a lower economic class than they are. all attitude does to social status, is make you believe you are something else, but in reality, it's your money that dictates your class.

    I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree. I don't really see class as an issue, but what I do see as an issue is make-believe classes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by HunnyPot
    I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree. I

    people, it may seem like i'm full of hot air, but i do know what i'm talking about. :p:D
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