Rebuilding The World Trade Centre

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Just found these ideas and plans with might be of interest, a fitting example of rememberance and national pride:
http://www.studiosplatter.com/WTC.htm

Its certainly something, be it just an idea <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

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They certainly look smart, and calling them Hope and Victory will certainly be popular in the US.

Thinking realisically, the land in downtown Manhattan is too valuable for it to be turned into a Garden of Remembrance type memorial. However, I worry that rebuilding the World Trade Center in the form of two giant towers, whilst showing that America has not been defeated following Sept 11th, has the potential to be seen as celebratory, even arrogant, when in fact terrorism has not been beaten at all.

A bit of humility never hurt anyone. America may have been the victim last September, but it must learn lessons lest Hope and Victory are flattened too.

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I think they shouldn't rebuild the World Trade Center.The reason they shouldn't rebuild the World Trade Center alot of people won't be found it's the same problem as with the Oklahoma City Bombing place alot of people were not found.Make a memorial for those who have lost their loved ones.Life is short and these people were taken too soon unsuspectingly alot of people are hurting because of missing and found people.Building over the place would be wrong.

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Originally posted by Kentish:
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A bit of humility never hurt anyone. America may have been the victim last September, but it must learn lessons lest Hope and Victory are flattened too.</STRONG>

Don't like the concept of playing the role of "victim". Prefer combatant.

To not rebuild is to accept subjugation to their agenda. Would be a concession of defeat.

Fuck that. And fuck them who attempt it.

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Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
<STRONG>Don't like the concept of playing the role of "victim". Prefer combatant.</STRONG>

America may be a combatant now, but I think that on that day she was a victim. Sure, the defences went up darned quick after the strike -- but that's post facto. Beforehand, she was a victim -- but, like you, I hope she will not come to be in that state again.

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Originally posted by MacKenZie:
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America may be a combatant now, but I think that on that day she was a victim. Sure, the defences went up darned quick after the strike -- but that's post facto. Beforehand, she was a victim -- but, like you, I hope she will not come to be in that state again.</STRONG>

To accept an attack/defeat, to "learn to live with it", is a component of being "a victim". The concept thoroughly disgusts me. I fully realize that you meant nothing of a demeaning nature, MacKenZie, but the concept still disgusts me.

I do not claim to be civil, nor civilized. I am the feral entity which hunted at night and escorted enemies of my nation straight to Hell, and then left them there as I hunted for more.

I do not believe in tit for tat; I believe in latching onto the esophagus of them who would do harm to my nation, ripping it from their throat, and tossing it slimey and quivering to the feet of their ilk and bretheren.

Barbarian? Let us hope so. It is barbarians who form/defend nations, and supremist/elitests whose depravity brings them crashing down.

Osama bin Laden should have let sleeping dogs lie; now he has the Teufelhund chasing him to the gates of Hell, and we will feast upon his blood, however long that might take. He didn't slay the dragon, but merely woke it up.

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The worst thing America could do, is to not rebuild the WTC.
They have been attacked, and they must show that they are capable of rising even higher than they were before.

It is not at all arrogant showing the world, that you are willing to get up on their feet and say, "sure they attacked me, but they will learn better, I can defend myself, and I will".

Only a coward would start thinking wether or not to fight back.

As the terrorists go after civilians, their aim is to hurt the civilians who didn't get killed by frightening them, so should America really give them that pleasure? I sure wouldn't.

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I think they look bloody awful, sorry to be so blunt, but someone has to! <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

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I think they look naff too, especially the bit about the gold angels.

Who would want to work on that site, I would not. A statue in my personal humble opinion is a better idea.

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they look horrible. Cold impersonal monolithic nightmares. Make me think of movies about apocalyptic futures.

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I like the overall design of the towers - very modern, very sound looking - I just dont like the angel things on the top....

Its not arrogant to rebuild as one poster suggested; you call for us to be humble - beleive me, we are. But at the same time, we are a proud nation - why is it even being suggested that it is wrong to have pride in our country.

Personally, I am still in shock of what happened on 9/11. This is tempered with the fear for my fiancee who works in one of Boston's largest structures, the Hancock towers. The fear it could happen again may be muted but for me, its very much there.

If anything, I say rebuild the towers to the exact specifications - down to the marble in the lobbies. Add a fitting memorial to all who were lost and then we will have an appropriate response to terror, regardless of what the bastards are planning and regardless of the fact the war is far from over.

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I think the proposed ones look like some sort of evil headquarters for a supervillian or an evil government.

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Originally posted by Whowhere:
<STRONG>I think the proposed ones look like some sort of evil headquarters for a supervillian or an evil government.</STRONG>

So... vee meet again, Meester Bond.... <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

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You've got to build something useful there, I assume that there are a lot of businesses that need office space after the original was destroyed so a new tower would be appropriate. I think it would be easy to go over the top, maybe something cultural could be included, a museum or art gallery reflecing on 11/9

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Why though? Surely just a replacement tower, with a small, discrete memorial in the foyer would be more appropriate? Something like the Vietnam war memorial, which simply has the names of the people who died. i think that would be far more respectful than 2 towering edifices that look more suitable in a sci-fi movie.

As for a museum reflecting September 11, the idea just strikes me as crass. What would be included, a video wall with a day by day account? A huge picture by a conceptual artist of the Planes crashing into the towers?

A simple memorial would be the most fitting, as would a like-for like reconstruction of the towers.

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as would a like-for like reconstruction of the towers.

I agree, that design is over the top....