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Islamic Suicide Playbook ~ Good Read
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The Koran, suicide playbook: Good read. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27149
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So not only does Israel need to battle with the problems that every nation has. It also has suicide bombers and terrorists, only waiting to see the popuylation dying away. As someone who looks at it from the outside it seems horrible that Israel is getting the army into palestinian towns, but if you knew how many lives and hurt this operation has saved... It's unbelieveable hearing about the bomb factorys, martyr children camps, and the authoroties illegal weapons and fake money and signatures.
Arafat is not a peace partner. And it has finally been proven, that he has contact to the bombers.
It is sickening, and depressing. And the fact that I have to be on a bus for 4 and a half hours in an hour and a half, is scaring me. This is the first time in years I have taken a bus here, and it is only cause there is no choice. Life has to go on...
And of course the Palestinians are living in undisturbed peace. They're not. Iraeli tanks, infantry divisions and helicopter gunships are raiding their towns, moving from house to house. The Israelis are afraid to go outside. The Palestinians are in an even worse situation; they're afraid to even be in their houses.
What about the legitimate nation of Palestine which was overthrown and replaced by Israeli terrorists?
It is unbelievable yes. But it's the only weapon the Palestinians have. They cannot afford tanks and helicopter gunships like the state of Israel can, yet they cannot afford not to fight if they want a country of their own back. If your own country, 50 years ago, had been invaded and taken over, would you not want to fight to get it back?
Make no mistake; I do not advocate suicide bombs nor do I support them. But I can understand them. And I recognise that they are no worse than the tactics on the Israeli side.
Ariel Sharon is not a peace partner. It's patently obvious that he has contacts with the Israeli army that is killing Palestinian civilians. There is also evidence of his involvement in attempts to kill the legitimate leader of the Palestinians, Yasser Arafat, when he was (I think) defence minister. I fail to see your point here. Besides, a man can want peace yet still engage in war. You think Churchill and Roosevelt WANTED to be fighting a war?
So is the hypocrisy of the self-righteous Israelis.
Sharon the butcher is going to slaughter more of his 'favorites' and the still ambulatory Arafat will send his children to meet ala with 30 pounds of Centex around their waste...all praise be to ala the holy one...bah, humbug!
Well when the first starts of a jewish state began, the palestinian state was also on the talking table. An idea of a shared state was set on the table, and the palestinians said no. So while they hadnothing Israel began building up a country. So yeah, they have the right to a state, and they could have began building it a long time ago. Now instead of getting talking they send out suicide bombers, and who will talk with people that threatens the population which is
already living there?
The country wasn't invaded. Back then the Brits held mandat over the country. And before that the Turks had it.
The difference here is that the Palestinians aim directly for the civilian population, while the Israelis try to keep it, to the terror organisation leaders and the people involved. I won't pull on a halo, of course Israel has hurt civilians to. But they weren't the aiming point.
Thats the palestinians biggest flaw, thinking that they will get their point through by terror attacks. It's unhuman. And they act in an unhuman way too, by holding parties when their sons get to be martyrs, instead of being sad. When have you seen an Israeli mother laughing when her son has died in war?
Also they give the palestinians who are human, real and nice a bad name.
Israel can't act another way than it does, if it wants to keep the population alive.
And for the sake of it Israel has had left- and right winges leaders, with different opinions on how to gain peace, while the palestinians have only had Arafat. The first step in the way to a peace process is another leader, who can control the population.
When the IRA bomb high streets in mainland Britain you don't see the British army bulldozing Catholic homes and shooting Irish school kids who throw stones at the soldiers?
Then there are the reports that the Israeli army have been writing numbers on captured terrorists in much the same way the Nazi's treated Jews in WW2.
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I had a number stamped on my hand when I went into a club a few weeks back....Were they treating me in a smiliar way to the nazis?
Skive.....If Israel wanted to use terrorism then they would do so. They would start deliberately targetting Palestinian civilians. They could kill every man, woman and child in the west bank within 36 hours if they so wished. Israel has about 4000 tanks at its disposal and yet its only used a few dozen to sort out the terrorists.
Call the Israelis what you will but you should be damned thankful that they dont take off the gloves.
(I know, must be something I age!)
I have a feeling that 4000 Merkavas rolling through the west bank and gaza will be a tad more fatal.
I don't dobt they have the capability to be much worse but do you not think they are being heavy handed enough already?
I'm not taking any side and I certainly don't support terrorism but in reply to Jac' the Rippers post, I was merely trying to point out that both sides are as bad as each.
The situation where each side keeps retaliating is basically childish. A suicide bomber kills a dozen Isreali civilians so the Iraelis respond byt buldozing a few homes, and shooting anybody showing any aggression towards Isreali troops, whether they're terroists or civilians.
Having seen the news tonight my support for the Palestinians (though obviously not the terror tactics) is growing.
Oh im very much against what the Israelis are currently doing. It just annoys me to hear people going on about how evil these Israelis are being and how they are taking out all the stops.
Well thats a litte unfair. The Israelis do not just destroy random homes in retaliation for suicide attacks, they go after the terrorist enclaves. The bulldozing of houses is another issue, the settlers.
I really do get confused sometimes...We constantly hear that the Israelis want to destroy all the Palestinian homes and towns but the simple fact is that the Israelis have the ability to level all the Palestinian cities in a few weeks..
Israel can quite easily achieve everything that people attribute to them if they wanted to, so why are they only doing such puny half measures..Surely if they actually did want to destroy Jenin then they would do it if they are so evil.
Just because they're not 'pulling out all the stops' doesn't mean that we should be 'thankfull'. Frankly what they're doing makes them just as bad as the terrorist's and that was my original point in reply to Jac' the Rippers post which pissed me off a little.
In reality I think my opinion is very close to your own Balddog, sometimes I don't put my argument across very well that's all. *is not politics regular*. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Welcome to politics btw...Good to see new people in here <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Just so long as I don't have to have either side as neighbors...oops, I do already.
Worst case senario...palestine petitions for statehood, US Statehood!, and gets it. Then they are subjected to US Laws & Codes...shades of Rome!
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Im not so sure that would be such a bad thing.....It would probably take up the entire resouces of the BATF...I can just imagine the JBTs running around Palestine confiscating guns at the crack of dawn...
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if the Israelis and the Palestinians were the only people on Earth, the Israelis would smash the Palestinians. Smash their settlements, and smash them. I'm not saying this is all Israelis, but the hawks of the Israeli government (which, however, we must note, were put there by a Democratic process) want to see an end to Palestine and an end to Palestinians.
This is where I'm going to say something I hardly ever say, and I'm going to go take a shower after writing this post. Thank God for the US. The Israelis would not dare begin the wholesale slaughter of the Palestinians they so desire because the US would not be able to sit by and let them do it. Bush is already trying to reign in Sharon's leash on the latest military action; if Sharon went all out, Bush would be forced to go all out to stop him. Sharon knows this. They're not leveling Jenin because they're scared of the US, they're scared of the EU, they're scared of Japan. They're scared that if they take this action, there's gonna be a competition among every civilised nation on Earth as to who can ostracise Israel the fastest! That is why Israel tries to limit civilian casualties. Do not make the mistake of believing that Sharon has compassion in his heart.
I usually try not to dignify Diesel's points by replying to them, but I think in this bizarre post he has highlighted a genuine flaw in the attitude of every hawk in the history of the Judeo-Christian world's conflicts with Islamic extremists.
We could nuke Mecca and Medina. But this would not kill the cancer. This would be like blasting every healthy cell with the radiation from our nukes and watching as they turn cancerous. Every act of aggression perpetrated by the West will turn moderate Islamics, young men and women who would have lived their lives unnoticed, into extremists who are going to fight to destroy the West. There are recruiters for terrorist organisations who on a daily basis attempt to convince these people that the West is evil; the West is the Great Satan. How easy are we going to make these recruiters' jobs when we blow up some of the most holy sites of a widespread and overwhelmingly rational religion? There are the pros and cons of responses to terrorism, which have separate discussions. But we can all agree that wanton violence leads to wanton violence leads to wanton violence. If you're a Palestinian man, when the Israeli helicopter gunship kills your brother, you don't think to yourself "Hey...maybe they are right afterall!" You say "Where is the nearest Hamas recruitment station? Give me a gun and give me a bomb!" It happens on the Israeli side as well, but the Israelis are the supposedly civilised nation in this, with the support of the civilised world. Why doesn't a situation like the Middle East exist in Northern Ireland? Because the British Government knows that a policy of all out terror against Republicans is not going to bring peace to anyone!
I'm also quite tired of Diesel tarring the whole of Islam with the brush of bin Laden. Islam is a peaceful religion. These terrorists have distorted and bent it to their own ends. They are no more devout Muslims than members of the KKK can be devout Christians. It's a contradiction in terms. Frankly, Diesel, if you want to continue irrationally insulting a major world religion, piss off and do it somewhere else, like a creche.
Anyway, that was all long and boring. Summary of my thoughts on the matter:
Both sides are to blame. It's time for Israel to grow up and act like the civilised nation it purports to be. Maybe then it will be less easy for Arafat to justify continued attacks.
By the same token Im reasonably sure that the Palestinian people wouldnt want to see all Israelis killed.
Should also be noted that the PLO charter still has the total destruction of Israel as one of its core policies. Israel doesnt have anything similar.
Youre right on Sharon though, he doesnt have any compassion at all..However, the Israeli people do and as a democracy, Sharon would be out on his arse if he started going apeshit.
Interesting that you dont see the Palestinians as a 'civilised' people. Are they just animals that cant control themselves?
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You DARE to even whisper that crap while there remains one Kennedy shithead brother still in politics?!?!?!?
Kindly... SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
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{edited to add} btw... I MUST admit that it would not be any worse than what we already have in East St.Louis! <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
[ 12-04-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
At no point did I say that the Palestinians are not civilised, they are. I was making the point that, according to many Israelis and pro-Israelis in other Western countries, the Palestinians are not civilised and the Israelis are. This begs the question of why a civilised country is carrying out the actions that Israel is carrying out in Gaza and the West Bank.
Did you seriously not understand that from reading my post? If so, have you considered going to school? Or were you making an attempt to bend my words into something you can attack more easily? Surely not! <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
Now I think we both know the answer to that
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You spoke about being civilized, heres an example:
Yesterday they interviewed a woman who was supposed to make a suicide attack in Israel but got caught. After some questions (which she handled really badly, couldn't even explain herself logically) they asked her, what about your 6 year old daughter? What would you do if she in some years wished to perform an attack? She answered that she would bless her, and hope that Allah would welcome her!!! Which "civilized" mother would give up her own daughter??? When arabs threatened to throw stones at us, when I was smaller, the first thing my mum did was to hide me. She didnt use me as a shield. Their whole perspective is sick!!!
First time I heard a mother wish for her son to die, I was shocked, and it got even worse when I heard that a young mother would sacrifice herself while having a little child. What kind of "peacefull" example is that?
I can understand the Isreali's wanting to be able to defend themselves from terrorism. But at the same time the Isrealis are doing nothing to help their cause.
Fair enough. But what should Israel do then? Sit back and watch, while their children get bombed brutally? I mean, what could Israel do to defend themselves in a "fair" way? Any suggestions?