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The Barcelona anti-capitalist demonstrations were a great success!

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>Anyone who knew that there would be violence, and participated anyway, has NOTHING to complain about.
    </STRONG>

    Of course they do! Anytime ANYONE goes to London, they know there is going to be violence. Every time I have been there have been fights right in front of me. So because I HAPPENNED TO BE THERE and SOMEBODY ELSE was violent, that DOESN'T mean that EVERYONE in the vicinity forfeits their rights and should be treated as criminals.

    To use the analogy already quoted...
    If a few people are selling ecstasy in a club, you DO have the right to complain if the police bundle everyone off down to the station for strip search.
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>Either way, it does not make me "arrogant" to recognize that you are on your way to a Darwin style extinction, it simply makes you intellectually incompetent.</STRONG>

    Re~read that again and you'll see it does.
    You're as arrogant as stealgate (but no where near as retarded) as you fail to comprehend anyone elses point of view except that which fully supports your own.
    <STRONG>p.s. Perhaps you should have mommy and daddy provide you a 24/7 nursemaid, because you demonstrate a tangible inability to care for yourself...</STRONG>

    Where have I shown ANY inability to care for myself? Once again I stress I never once mentioned SELF~DEFENCE, I was referring to:
    Originally posted by Stracha_Khan:
    <STRONG>My point was that just because you're there when SOMEBODY ELSE brakes the law it DOES NOT make you equally as guilty as them.</STRONG>

    There was more than enough police there to pick out the violent ones, they just chose not to.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>

    You took part in an act of violence, and whether by your active or passive participation, you are ACCOUNTABLE for the consequences of that action in a court of law.

    You negated your "rights" by your participation in an activity you state you KNEW would turn violent.

    No fucking excuses...

    [ 30-03-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]</STRONG>
    Originally posted by Vox populi, vox Dei:<STRONG>
    And which poster here fought in Vietnam...?
    </STRONG>

    Apologies, I didn't realise your intellectual incompetence extended to not being able to understand a simple point like that. I will explain it, nice and slowly for you. Try reading it slowly, study every word, it might help.

    In fighting in Vietnam, you willfully took part in an act of violence. According to you, you are accountable for that violence in a court of law. See you at the Hague, will we?

    In Vietnam, US troops murdered Viatnamese civilian women and children (My Lai, for example). You may or may not have taken part in this practice yourself, however, you were in the vicinity at the time and thus are just as guilty, according to your logic.

    Are you understanding this now? Or would you like me to explain in even more detail, perhaps with monosyllabic words?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Vox populi, vox Dei:
    <STRONG>

    Are you understanding this now? Or would you like me to explain in even more detail, perhaps with monosyllabic words?</STRONG>

    There is a very real difference between the civilian world, and the military world. There is a greater difference between the civilian world, and the combat world of war.

    Collateral damages, and individual abuses are a part of every conflict, including those that UK has been involved in. Only those suffering the anal/cranial inversion (otherwise known as ShitForBrains) fail to comprehend this. NVA and VC abuses were so common place that they were not news... "The sun rose this morning in the east..." "Abuses" - real or unfounded propoganda - by US forces occurred so seldom by comparison that they were considered as news, but more as manipulative propoganda to twist the opinion of a populace too ignorant of the reality of war in general - and THAT war in specific - to have an intelligent and cognizant perspective.

    You were not there to witness the "suicide bombers" who were women and children hiding grenades... and later were publicized as "murdered women and children".

    Better you should use the "monosyllabic words" upon yourself, who are demonstrably reality challenged. Time to pull your head out of your ass, parasitic little boy... you are almost old enough to be legally responsible for your actions. Or will you continue to claim exemption as a sheep?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Stracha_Khan:
    <STRONG>Where have I shown ANY inability to care for myself?
    </STRONG>

    If you participated in an event that you KNEW would turn violent, then you deserved the little inconvenience which visited you. You seem to not be posting from jail...

    If you were ignorant of the probability of violence, then you are too stupid to be let out to roam the world without the supervision of a nanny.

    If you were simply wandering along the street - NOT PARTICIPATING - then you might have cause for complaint, but we are back to you being too stupid to be trusted without supervision.

    Freedom comes with responsibility, and at a cost.

    You have the freedom to express a perspective divergent from the majority, but you also have the responsibility and accountability to own up to your actions, and deal with the consequences.

    Freedom without responsibility is the perspective of a parasite.

    To complain is the action of a bleating sheep.

    Deal with it.

    I disagreed with the position and perspective of Muhammad Ali/Cassius Clay, but I respect the man because he stood his position and did not whine, snivel, sob big tears like you. He lost his world, his profession, his world title. Ali was a man; you are a sniveling little sheep who lost an afternoon.

    Deal with it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>If you participated in an event that you KNEW would turn violent, then you deserved the little inconvenience which visited you. You seem to not be posting from jail...</STRONG>

    I didn't. <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>If you were ignorant of the probability of violence, then you are too stupid to be let out to roam the world without the supervision of a nanny.</STRONG>

    I wasn't. <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>If you were simply wandering along the street - NOT PARTICIPATING - then you might have cause for complaint, but we are back to you being too stupid to be trusted without supervision.</STRONG>

    I wasn't that either. <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>You have the freedom to express a perspective divergent from the majority, but you also have the responsibility and accountability to own up to your actions, and deal with the consequences.</STRONG>

    I would own up to my own actions, and deal with the consequences. But the whole point was that 'Mindless all the way' had no actions to own up to...and yet suffered the consequences of the actions of other violent fucktards because the police were too incompetent to differentiate between them.
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>Freedom without responsibility is the perspective of a parasite.</STRONG>

    Responsibility for myself: YES
    Responsibility for any other fucktard who wants to cause havoc: NO
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>To complain is the action of a bleating sheep.</STRONG>

    How do you figure that one out? If I buy a coffee from McDonalds (not that I would, I do have standards of some sort <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">) and it tastes like someone has had a shit in it I would complain....how is that synonymous with the bleatings of a sheep? Surely it would be in my best interests to complain? Are you saying you wouldn't complain? That's fair enough but I'd be drinking a replacement cup and you'd be drinking shit dregs.
    Either use analogys that make sense or elaborate further please.
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>I disagreed with the position and perspective of Muhammad Ali/Cassius Clay, but I respect the man because he stood his position and did not whine, snivel, sob big tears like you. He lost his world, his profession, his world title. Ali was a man; you are a sniveling little sheep who lost an afternoon.</STRONG>

    How exactly have I whined, sniveled or sobbed big tears?
    Lost an afternoon? Are you assuming that I was ACTUALLY THERE? I didn't attend that protest, I've never been to any protest and probably never will...I don't think they achieve much as you only end up pissing off the people who make the decisions concerning what you want changed.
    I am just sympathising with those protestors like Mindless who get punished for something they didn't do. <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spring, 1970. I was in college, freshman year, prior to receiving my draft notice. "Demonstrations" against VN war were going on on most campuses in the US. The "peaceful demonstration" at Kent State turned ugly as "demonstrators' were hurling rocks and bottles at armed National Guard (such exquisite wisdom and demonstration of discernment). Four students were killed as NG fired.

    Protests at college campuses escalated.

    I was crossing the Park Blocks at Portland State University. There was a demonstration ongoing. Portland Police Tactical Unit came in to break up the assembly with force. The mayor pro tempe had nullified the granted permits for the assembley while the mayor was out of town, without notification to the protestors. Police came in swinging nightsticks, without provocation from protestors. Many people were hospitalized with real injuries...

    I was there.

    Have you heard me whine and snivel about "violation of my civil rights"? I made the choice to be there, even though I was not involved with the protest, just crossing the campus.

    (Have you heard me whine and snivel about receiving a draft notice, even tho I held a student deferment?)

    Because you came off as if you were there, I made the mistake of presumption. My error.

    But... if you want to actively take upon yourself the role of defending the sniveling, then you are welcome to paint yourself with the same brush, and then the rest applies specifically.
    Originally posted by Stracha_Khan:
    <STRONG>
    How do you figure that one out? If I buy a coffee from McDonalds (not that I would, I do have standards of some sort ) and it tastes like someone has had a shit in it I would complain....how is that synonymous with the bleatings of a sheep?</STRONG>

    If YOU shit in the coffee, and then complain about the taste, THAT would be the closer analogy to being at a place which you KNEW was going to turn violent, and then be inconvenienced by a simple detainment for an afternoon.

    (Rhetorical 'you', not specific 'you').

    If you defend that person who did the shitting, then you are part and parcel of the act.

    Time to grow up, and abandon the "they're picking on me" attitude. You have it so tough, don't you?

    [ 31-03-2002: Message edited by: Thanatos...AGAIN ]
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:

    You have the freedom to express a perspective divergent from the majority, but you also have the responsibility and accountability to own up to your actions, and deal with the consequences.
    I do own up for my own actions, as stated before.
    I was once questioned and detained by police because I was in an environment with drugs - at a friends house where canabis was been smoked. I had none on me, so had in fact commited no crime, but because I was in that situation where drugs where been taken, and was clearly there of my own choice, not trying to avoid it, and quite obviously had been partaking, I happily accepted the consequences.

    If I go to a pub on a Saturday night, I know there is likely to be violence, yet when a fight breaks out, and I am not involved, and doing my best to stay away from any violence, I do not expect to be arrested for it. I have performed no actions to accept the consequences of.

    I went to a protest and tryed my best to avoid the minority that where causing violence, even tried to prevent it. I was not willing to be where there was any violence (I tried to leave when violence did break out), I was not taking an active part in ANY criminal act, and was treated like a terrorist. I had performed no actions to accept the consequences of.
    Freedom without responsibility is the perspective of a parasite.

    I am a responsible person. I have been brought up to be independant, and to make my own decisions. I have done well with my education and expect to continue to do so. I do go out and party and take drugs, but manage to balance it responsibly with my college work, and with my job. I was responsible enough to try and avoid any violence. I was responsible enough not to take part in any criminal act. How exactly have I shown any unresponsibilty?
    To complain is the action of a bleating sheep.
    I went to that protest to demonstrate that I had a difference of opinion to the majority. To show my individuality from the norm. I complain to show that I am not happy been treated as a number, or as something I am not. I complain because I DO NOT want to be the same as anyone else. How is that sheep like?

    You said that I am like a sheep because I show a complete lack of intelligence. I have always acheived excellent grades in education, I have always done well in any job I undertake, and learn quickly. I have always argued in a logical and sensible way. Yet in almost every single post you make, you use the same tired argument that we are sheep, without giving any decent reason apart from the fact that we are DIFFERENT to you. You also seem to think yourself intelligent because you can insult people using phrases such as 'anal/cranial inversion'. This seems kinda pathetic... but you always have given off that impression to me.

    I admit, that you are brave, and you have done honourable service for your country. It is also brave to proudly state your opinion, if it is one of a minority. I have been scorned for years because of some of my beliefs, but I don't whine about that, I learnt to take it, and to realise that people who can't accept the fact that other people have different beliefs are pathetic. Its clear you do have some sort of intelligence, but unfortuanatly it is greatly overshadowed by your complete arogance... you should learn to accept other peoples beliefs without trying to ridicule them, even if you disagree with them... only in sheep will you find complete uniformity.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    <STRONG>
    ... you should learn to accept other peoples beliefs without trying to ridicule them, even if you disagree with them....</STRONG>

    If you seek accuracy, then you might go back and notice that very little - if any - "ridicule" was attached to your "beliefs". Muhammad Ali's beliefs were totally divergent from mine, yet I respect the man for the manner in which he comported himself. No one has ever heard me ridicule Ali, nor will anyone EVER.

    You want to protest? DO IT!

    You want to be taken seriously? Don't whine about people being detained after their protest.

    Didn't catch a bullet, now did you? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>
    You want to be taken seriously? Don't whine about people being detained after their protest.

    Didn't catch a bullet, now did you? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>


    The rest of what I said is still valid, I have explained why I complain, and I still think I have every right to complain about what happened.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    <STRONG>


    The rest of what I said is still valid, I have explained why I complain, and I still think I have every right to complain about what happened.</STRONG>

    And everyone over the age of fourteen has "the right" to laugh their fucking ass off at your pathetic spoiled perspective...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Thanatos...AGAIN:
    <STRONG>And everyone over the age of fourteen has "the right" to laugh their fucking ass off at your pathetic spoiled perspective...</STRONG>

    I thought her argument was well thought through, and RELEVANT, which I unfortunately cannot say for a lot of your posts.

    Why do you feel the need to ridicule anyone who opposes your point of view?

    We seem to be going round in circles, as you don't listen to a word she or I says.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Stracha_Khan:
    <STRONG>

    I thought her </STRONG>

    *ahem*
    his <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Once again, Thanatos, you manage to avoid actually answering any of my arguments in your reply. Well done, you should be a politician.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
    <STRONG>
    *ahem*
    his <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    </STRONG>

    <IMG SRC="eek.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> eeeeeeps! I kind of build up an image of people in my head from their name...I really should check people's profiles <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    Dunno why I thought you were female...
    My apologies.
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