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why the war protestors are full of s***
BillieTheBot
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Their main argument seems to be that Bush and Blair are the murderers and thousands of civilians will die needlessly.
Bush and Blair don't routinely execute innocent people on a daily basis. Bush and Blair have never tested chemical or biological weapons on their own populace.
If Saddam remains where he is, more Iraqis will die, maybe not all at once, but over many years.
And for all you smart alecs out there who agree that Saddam needs to be removed, but war isn't the answer, pray tell what the answer is.
Bush and Blair don't routinely execute innocent people on a daily basis. Bush and Blair have never tested chemical or biological weapons on their own populace.
If Saddam remains where he is, more Iraqis will die, maybe not all at once, but over many years.
And for all you smart alecs out there who agree that Saddam needs to be removed, but war isn't the answer, pray tell what the answer is.
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Then we can expect you to chant that both Bush and Blair publicly accept the shame for their own financing and support for said regimes before they are carted off to the ICC to face charges of crimes against humanity for having aided and abetted in the innumerable victims of torture and execution at the hands of their former puppets.
Sorry pal, your own narrow mindedness and lack of perspective is showing!
I don't support Bush, he's a mental midget, at least Blair tried to go for diplomacy.
What do you sugest we do? Sit back and watch as people in the UK start dying from poison gas and god knows what else? No thanks.
Since coming into power the Blair govt has sanctioned sales of weapons to several countries whose human rights records are not exactly the purest.
Indonesia for example.........
The Muslim world will respond sooner or later, don't become as smug as pnj and think it wont happen if it doesnt happen today or tomorrow, we are all less secure thanks to the axis of idiots than ever we were prior to today.
As for sales of arms, I dont have any knowledge of that, I just know that selling weapons to (admittedly supposedly) democratic countries and testing VX on a few thousand londoners are slightly different.
Like what?
How could he have done that exactly.
Are you talking about a man with a suitcase or a missile?
neither have any chance.........
We're not talking about boat people here, we're talking about one or more persons entering the country at a deserted stretch of beach and making their way to London or the closest major city and detonating some sort of device.
Doesn't take much to kill a few thousand people, especially if the bomb was detonated in an area with a high residential population, as opposed to setting one off in a city centre like everyone assumes will happen.
How ethical..........:rolleyes:
Given the fact that these countries have substantial arsenals at their disposal unlike Iraq I wouldnt bet on it.
We should rename this coalition the Coalition of Cowards!
The protesters don't want to hear about all of Saddam's tortures. They flat out lie about France - the oil deals they have and the business deals involving spare parts to mirage jets and helicopters as well as pestisides for use in chemical weapons. Oh no, tell a bunch of lies about America's interests, ignore the 3,000 lives we lost, lie about the lack of evidence regarding Bin Laden's ties to Iraq, even though prisoners in Cuba separately said they had Iraqi instructors for the training on how to use chemical weapons.
Whowhere, these people have their own agenda. It has nothing to do with appreciating their living in a great country like the UK. It has everything to do with acting morally, self superior...surrounded by PC lies.
Some people on these boards have made claims that saddam has no weapons. You people should be very quiet right now as saddam was using scuds he swore blindly he diddnt have this morning.
Some kids don't take it very seriously, good argument.......:rolleyes:
i know they have quite a low range, but said he diddnt have them. He lied. If hes lied about that do you seriously think its wise to think thats all hes lied about?
And some adults dont treat "kids" as people, rather as children with baseless opinions. :rolleyes:
i get your point but i don't think that any anti-war people serious believe that you can trust him, this though is not suffiicent to prove he is a threat wouldn't you say?
Not sure what you mwan by the second bit, i am only 19....
and by the second part, it was in reply to this:
Some kids don't take it very seriously, good argument.......:rolleyes:
maybe i took it the wrong way?
granted you identify schoolkids but i was suggesting that they are possibly not representative of the anti-war movement?
I do think that Saddam is a liar and that he has lied about his weapons but the inspectors were doing OK and I cannot see how a war is needed in this situation........
Both Bush and Blair have closets full of lies. Well, Bush and his cronies certainly do.
yes, but when put on the spot blair will at least tell half the truth.
saddam swore again and again he had no weapons
Remember, Blair's government has come to rely just as heavily on spin as Washington does, so don't think youll get them to face up to their own lies that easily.
the sooner iraq is liberated, the less chance saddam has of getting hold of materials for major WOMD.
When you state of national security as a shield, do you really think that it would be wise to allow saddam to continue producing WOMD, to go on and maybe use them on america? I believe bush has got some truth in his words.
Saddam has got nowhere to run or hide. If he stays in iraq, when it is liberated saddam is stuck in a country with no powers or soldier force. If he exiles, he will most probably be killed or handed over. Sounds like a justafiable war to me.
Having set up a puppet regime in a country which has never in history been successfully run by foreign installed regimes, the US/UK forces will have to remain if it wishes to prop up its illigitimate puppets, none of whom have any consituency in Iraq and many of whom are former members of Saddam's government who are likely just as corrupt and power hungry in their own right.
Now if we remain to prop up a puppet regime we are conquerors not liberators, and if we dont stay then the factious nature of Iraq will reassert itself with each faction vying for control until the strongest arises to subjugate the rest. That is what Iraq is about.
I strongly suggest you educate yourself on the nature of Iraqi society and its historical internal conflicts before trusting in the pipedreams of an administration which has shown zero comprehension of diplomacy and which has systematically alienated itself from our most important friends and allies.
Unless my countrymen wake up and put the blame for our increasing isolationism squarely on those truly responsible. i.e. the Bush admin, rather than blindly following along with Washington's diversionary scapegoating, they will blindly slip further downhill into an economic crisis which they are not prepared to face.
I only pray they wake up before that dire condition is realised.
Sorry old boy but it was the French who supplied Saddam with most of his military hardware including a reactor to make weapons grade plutonium.
It is the French who have a corner on about 25% of the Iraqi oil; business.
It is the Americans who are going to take away his ability to use any weapons supplied him by the French.
I suppose the Yanks gave Saddam those SCUDS.
Clandestine, you should note that if you spoke about Saddam as an Iraqi as you do about Bush as an American you would be in very big trouble. So I guess the evil George and Tony group will have to continue on without your blessing.
Everyone knows that the Americans are brutal oppressors. Ask the Japanese and the Germans!:wave:
Sorry ol boy but you can close your eyes to the truth if you wish, but we supplied him with far more in the way of chemical and biological precursors and WMD production expertise than any other nation. We also provided him with considerable conventional hardware as well.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/12/Saddam_Rumsfeld.html
Excerpt (on conventional weapons):
So scapegoat all you like. You only paint yourself as a willing accomplice to villainy which this admin has oh so effectively diverted from the media spotlight and questioning. Wouldnt do to show Rumsfeld for the colluding scum he is, nor for that matter where the Bush family made most of its wealth.
No, you go right ahead and follow our narrowminded, self-serving, and substantially zionistic administration on its collision course with ruination and talk to me of your platitudes when the house of cards come crumbling down around us all. Ill be there to give you a much deserved "I told you so".
You seem to have a passionate hate for george bush. It seems that you place the blame of everything in this war to bush and blair. Can you not accept that saddam has done extremely evil and cruel things, to his own people? How can you use iraq history as an example that "puppet regimes" as you call them will not work? its been years since saddam was first at power. Things may, and most probably will have changed by now. With all this torture, starvation and testing of weapons on his own people, given the chance to start again do you not think they will be more careful this time?
I stand by my opinion on what i believe will happen with this war. I truly think that, admittedly with the help of us\uk forces iraq will work out for the better.
might i add that you argue your case well clandestine.
Nor does the international community believe that a full scale attack was warranted or necessary now, especially given perfectly viable means and methodologies remaining to enhance the containment and disarmament originally claimed as the purpose of this whole crisis.
But what we have now is the revelation of what many have known was the truth all along, that those in Bush's cabinet whome he listens to most were planning this overthrow and conquest for the sake of big oil interests and for the benefit of an as yet unadmitted Israeli agenda of regional domination over its Arab neighbours on the back of US military might.
I don't believe that my countrymen should be fighting and dying for another country's agenda, sorry pal. Especially a country which has systematically refused to honour UN resolutions against itself. Hypocrisy of the highest order for which many innocents will now undoubtedly die or be displaced while Sharon and Bush gloat.
But as to Iraq itself, I can only urge you to do some study on the nature of the people and the nation rather than sit here naively believing that Bush can institute any model democracy there. That country is thousands of years old and steeped in tribal and factional traditions which do not gel with your Western conceptualisation of free society. That Saddam has been in power since the mid 70's is not long at all in terms of Iraq's millenia of history and no, things havent changed as youd like to believe.
Bush and co will discover that all too soon...
I truly believe that when saddam is removed from power, and a new governing body installed with US and UK support, that it will work.
might i ask clandestine, what nationality are you? you refer to your countrymen a lot so i assume you are English?