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who actually thinks he's a good president? & can his ignorance be excused?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hes doing a good job. I think he is a good president. Not a great one but certainly better than certain recent presidents.

    His personal ignorance can be excused and corrected. The president doesnt act alone, he has hundreds of advisors to help him along so he doesnt need to be a brainbox.

    Remember that its his job to do whats best for America. If he does something that some girl from the UK doesnt like then that means nothing. He isnt your president. He has approval ratings of around 80% in the states. Despite what you might think, not all Americans are thick and ignorant so he must be doing something right to have that much support.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LondonGurl:
    <STRONG>who actually thinks he's a good president? & can his ignorance be excused?</STRONG>

    Do you just happen to hate the guy because he's waging war against terrorists? For one thing, he's not the supreme decision maker here in the US - there's a whole governing body of the Senate and the house that enacts legislature and has the power to deny his orders if that be the desire.
    The fact is, very little opposition has been raised for this war on either side of the political fence. Our leaders (and yours) know that negotiation won't happen and that our deaths must be avenged by either killing every last one of those terrorist punks or doing whatever it takes to prevent future acts of terror.
    He's doing the right thing, why not cite examples of his ignorance before you go bashing the guy?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it's you again! erm yeah i know that. it's the 'war' thats given him such high aproval ratings - almost all leaders get that with wars right? - I certainly dont think all americans are thick an ignorant - one of my best friends is from NEw York! but surely the message bush puts out to the word like calling pakistanis "pakis" doesnt give the US a good face?

    & just about the US system - I sont know much abotu it but I've just started studying it in politics - do you think it's right to have people with vested interests - and basicly all his friends from texas running things - coz they havent been elected.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LondonGurl:
    <STRONG>it's you again! erm yeah i know that. it's the 'war' thats given him such high aproval ratings - almost all leaders get that with wars right? - I certainly dont think all americans are thick an ignorant - one of my best friends is from NEw York! but surely the message bush puts out to the word like calling pakistanis "pakis" doesnt give the US a good face?

    & just about the US system - I sont know much abotu it but I've just started studying it in politics - do you think it's right to have people with vested interests - and basicly all his friends from texas running things - coz they havent been elected.</STRONG>


    Pakis..heh thats funny - hell Im sure he means that in an endearing way - you just want political correctness and well George is from Texas and well hes very blunt - which I admire.

    No actually in Vietnam, the approval ratings for Kennedy through Nixon suffered through the war as did Clinton in his (crap) military operations.

    No we re not ignorant. We're mad. Let your country be attacked and I'll be interested to see how you react to it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan:
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    Do you just happen to hate the guy because he's waging war against terrorists? For one thing, he's not the supreme decision maker here in the US - there's a whole governing body of the Senate and the house that enacts legislature and has the power to deny his orders if that be the desire.
    The fact is, very little opposition has been raised for this war on either side of the political fence. Our leaders (and yours) know that negotiation won't happen and that our deaths must be avenged by either killing every last one of those terrorist punks or doing whatever it takes to prevent future acts of terror.
    He's doing the right thing, why not cite examples of his ignorance before you go bashing the guy?

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    This post isnt about terrorism! examples are: not knowing who the leader of pakistan was while negotiating with him. & calling pakistani's "pakis" whis is just as bad an insult as calling black people "n*ggers"

    and I know there are bodies that can stop him he has less power than our prime minister in his country. There was a whole load of opposition to the bombing over here actually. & anyway he was basicly voted in on DEFAULT!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Londongurl,

    The Pakis thing is totally understandable and totally forgivable. The word Paki is not insulting anywhere else in the world except Britain.

    The word Paki is just a short version of Pakistani. Its the same all over the world, including in Pakistan. Its just us Brits who have a serious PC problem. Oh wait a minute, can I say Brits? Isnt that racist being that its exactly the same as Pakis.

    The US system isnt perfect but then neither is ours. Our government is even more prone to nepotism or whatever. Blair has given away tons of important positions to his mates. Its nothing new and certainly not confined to the US.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan:
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    Pakis..heh thats funny - hell Im sure he means that in an endearing way - you just want political correctness and well George is from Texas and well hes very blunt - which I admire.

    No actually in Vietnam, the approval ratings for Kennedy through Nixon suffered through the war as did Clinton in his (crap) military operations.

    No we re not ignorant. We're mad. Let your country be attacked and I'll be interested to see how you react to it.</STRONG>


    Pakis is not a funny thing to say no mater how he meant it it was an insult - it's like your apologising for a chimp! - PRESEDENTS who are involved in diplomacy cant be BLUNT.

    WE have been attacked throughout history & we've dealt with it! maybe it's just because you havent - and it's a very big shock.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LondonGurl:
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    Pakis is not a funny thing to say no mater how he meant it it was an insult - it's like your apologising for a chimp! - PRESEDENTS who are involved in diplomacy cant be BLUNT.

    WE have been attacked throughout history & we've dealt with it! maybe it's just because you havent - and it's a very big shock.</STRONG>

    Londonchick - listen, theres things about my country you don't understand - for one, we are a very friendly country - Pakis is nowhere near having the same connotations as the N word. A term of endearment nothing more - sort of like calling Polish folks Poles, Russians Ruskies and English well, Limeys...
    Diplomacy has for too long been held down by words, flattery and outright asskissing. No - I think its better served when we re to the point - that way no lies exist.
    Hmm we havent been attacked - I seem to recall Pearl Harbor as an attack we dealt with as well as several attempts by the Brits even after the Revolution....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan:
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    Londonchick - listen, theres things about my country you don't understand - for one, we are a very friendly country - Pakis is nowhere near having the same connotations as the N word. A term of endearment nothing more - sort of like calling Polish folks Poles, Russians Ruskies and English well, Limeys...
    Diplomacy has for too long been held down by words, flattery and outright asskissing. No - I think its better served when we re to the point - that way no lies exist.
    Hmm we havent been attacked - I seem to recall Pearl Harbor as an attack we dealt with as well as several attempts by the Brits even after the Revolution....</STRONG>

    of course - in your country it probably isn't to bad - but it wasnt a speach just to your country was it? and it is used alongside the N word here & is seen as just as bad it's nothing like poles or ruskies or limies.

    you cant seriously think he tells the truth all the time?

    ok, so why is this SO much worse than if it happened anywhere else?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've noticed many people calling Americans "Yanks" on this site. Why is this any different?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One more thing...

    NO politician tells the truth all the time.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by USC Alex:
    <STRONG>I've noticed many people calling Americans "Yanks" on this site. Why is this any different?</STRONG>

    Because the word "paki" is an insult to pakistani's in many countries. they sould be offended to be called that - technically it seems no different but there are certain things attached to it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LondonGurl, did you read my posts?

    Paki is an insult nowhere on earth except the UK.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LondonGurl:
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    of course - in your country it probably isn't to bad - but it wasnt a speach just to your country was it? and it is used alongside the N word here & is seen as just as bad it's nothing like poles or ruskies or limies.

    you cant seriously think he tells the truth all the time?

    ok, so why is this SO much worse than if it happened anywhere else?</STRONG>

    Ha never said he tells the truth all the time - hes a politician for Christs sake.

    I'm not losing sleep over it really and noone besides yourself has really raised his calling Pakistanis Pakis before. Hell, I may even use that one sometime.

    Here as in there in England? Sorry - Ive spent a lot of time over there and the racist comments I've heard from your countrymen and political leaders far exceed anything W says.

    Whys what so much worse? you mean the terror attacks? thats because of the sheer numbers kid. My land was raped and anything we do to retaliate is a positive step forward.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
    <STRONG>LondonGurl, did you read my posts?

    Paki is an insult nowhere on earth except the UK.</STRONG>

    YES IT IS! if you go to pakistan and call them pakis they will take offence!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LondonGurl:
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    YES IT IS! if you go to pakistan and call them pakis they will take offence!</STRONG>

    Why are you so concerned if someone gets offended. Nearly 5000 of my people were killed in the attacks - Im more offended by that than upsetting any nations delicate sensibilities. <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan:
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    Ha never said he tells the truth all the time - hes a politician for Christs sake.

    So why cant he lie in a "nice" way like other politicians?


    I'm not losing sleep over it really and noone besides yourself has really raised his calling Pakistanis Pakis before. Hell, I may even use that one sometime.

    yes they have - it was quite big over here.

    Here as in there in England? Sorry - Ive spent a lot of time over there and the racist comments I've heard from your countrymen and political leaders far exceed anything W says.

    yeah, and they get torn to pieces about it - but the actual comment is not my pint - you asked me for an example of ignorance and thats it - the fact then he didnt know it can be taken as an offence - who writes his speaches?

    Whys what so much worse? you mean the terror attacks? thats because of the sheer numbers kid. My land was raped and anything we do to retaliate is a positive step forward.

    Yeah, such huge numbers have been killed in other incidents too... why is this different?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "my people" "my land"
    Wow, a believer in nationalism. Or do we actually have God on the boards with us.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DevilMan:
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    Why are you so concerned if someone gets offended. Nearly 5000 of my people were killed in the attacks - Im more offended by that than upsetting any nations delicate sensibilities. <IMG alt="image" SRC="mad.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

    I am not talking about the terorist attacks I'm talking about George bush!! of course people dying is much worse ----I asked the questions can his ignorance be excuses? - can a leader of 'the words greatest nation' be ignorant like that - and on the most superficial level - shouldnt someone have noticed and given him a bit mor help in his speaches to stop him embarassing himself?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Look guys - I'm not tryin to be horrible or offend you or anything like that BUT it's all so one sided theres always TWO sides to EVERY story.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    YES IT IS! if you go to pakistan and call them pakis they will take offence!

    I take it youve actually been to Pakistan then Londongurl?

    You are talking total crap. They do not take offense to the word Paki in Pakistan. Its only an insult here. I have several close friends, one of whom moved here back in the 80s and another who moved here from Kashmir in the early 90s. Neither of them took offence at Paki when they first got here. Not until people here started using it with racist intent.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Balddog:
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    I take it youve actually been to Pakistan then Londongurl?

    You are talking total crap. They do not take offense to the word Paki in Pakistan. Its only an insult here. I have several close friends, one of whom moved here back in the 80s and another who moved here from Kashmir in the early 90s. Neither of them took offence at Paki when they first got here. Not until people here started using it with racist intent.</STRONG>


    LOOK. the offence caused or intent of the word is not my point! my point is - george bush has a limited understanding, interest or knowlegde of world affairs!? if he doesnt know certain things eg who the leader of a country with nuclear weapons it. - and his team must be pretty bad too
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Grr, this is what really pisses me off about the PC brigade. When will the stupid fucktards realise that its not the word thats bad, its the intent with which it is said. If you call a mate a Paki its not racist, but in this country if you go up to a random and say it then its insulting.

    In the US its not seen as 'racist', however, only in this country.

    Just grow up and see the real world. Im just glad Cl*ntons not still in power.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit:
    <STRONG>Grr, this is what really pisses me off about the PC brigade. When will the stupid fucktards realise that its not the word thats bad, its the intent with which it is said. If you call a mate a Paki its not racist, but in this country if you go up to a random and say it then its insulting.

    In the US its not seen as 'racist', however, only in this country.

    Just grow up and see the real world. Im just glad Cl*ntons not still in power.</STRONG>

    HELLOO - It was a speach to all over the world! - & my point is not about the intent or the meaning of the word - if you read the other messages you'd see that!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by KrazedKT:
    <STRONG>"my people" "my land"
    Wow, a believer in nationalism. Or do we actually have God on the boards with us.</STRONG>

    Yes I am a 25 year old nationalist if thats what Im to be called. I'll express the love for my country and hate for her enemies as fervently as those who want to wage Jihad against us.
    Its rare for my age group - but our ranks are growing.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOOK. the offence caused or intent of the word is not my point! my point is - george bush has a limited understanding, interest or knowlegde of world affairs!? if he doesnt know certain things eg who the leader of a country with nuclear weapons it. - and his team must be pretty bad too

    Why are you suprised that the US has a leader without a knowledge of foreign affairs when he came into office?

    We've had a bunch of them, Truman, FDR, Clinton, etc...just about any President that was astate govenor before he became President.

    The UK has had some too...Neville Chamberlain certainly didn't have a grasp of the situation in Europe in 1938, did he?

    Bush can't make serious decisions by himself..he has much less power than Blair does b/c his party doesn't necessarily control the legislature. He also has a team of advisors around him with impeccable credentials. His decisions are the product of alot of bargaining on many different levels of government.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Devilman, what makes you think it is "your land" and "your people"? I am not meaning to be ignorant or rude. I am just interested to hear the views of someone so different to what I know.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Did you all hear about his comment- he said Pakis when talking about the current problem in India and Pakistan.His press office had to work overtime on that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by KrazedKT:
    <STRONG>Devilman, what makes you think it is "your land" and "your people"? I am not meaning to be ignorant or rude. I am just interested to hear the views of someone so different to what I know.</STRONG>

    Just the way I feel really. My families have been here since the early 1900s, descendants of Italian and Irish immigrants - I was raised to remember my European heritage and never forget why my ancestors emigrated to the US.
    Because of this, and because I have travelled the world and even studied in England - I have an understanding of how other countries work, how their people value each other and how they live. Im not slamming anyone, but I prefer the US and for all the crap we've done in the past, I remain proud of my country.
    My families, since they came here, have fought in every major war the US has been involved with up to my father in Vietnam. I only regret that my hearing loss keeps me out of the Marine corps.
    You ask why I lay claim to this land as mine - I can only say its the only one I can call home, the one that shapes my values and my ideals. I love this country - I hope I wont be mocked for saying so - but Id gladly die for it as well.
    I hope this answers your question.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blimey you guys, I think you're being a bit harsh on LondonGurl.

    Baldy & Kermit you are right that 'Paki' is only offensive in this country because of the way it is used as an insult. But LondonGurl is presumably from the UK and therefore will find it offensive. I certainly do and GWB should know that. As for the poles/yanks/ruskies/limeys thing, I don't think he'd use those words in an official speech and therefore he shouldn't use paki either. The word is Pakistani.

    But on George W, I think he would flounder without his strong team behind him. But then again, he's not there to be the most intelligent person in the USA. He's there to be a puppet on a string, reading speeches, and shaking hands. He is very presidential, and he is loved in the US, but he is chronically ignorant.
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