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I know a bloke who has been so badly treated it makes me sick.
Did you know that most prisoners in the US only get soap, not even a bloody tooth brush! and if you dont have people on the outside you get bearly enough clothes to keep you warm. What is that?
And where does this information come from, bongbudda?
OK, MR. A different case. I knew a young lady who died in 1977 from cannabis use. She drove her car head on into another vehicle (which happened to be driven by my best friend). Since drunken driving incidents are charged against alcohol. I figure this one has to be charged against cannabis.
And it is a shame because the more emphasis is put in treating prisoners decently and giving them education and rehabilitation opportunities, the less chances of re-offending.
Before anyone starts, not everyone should be given this treatment. Murderers, rapists or other dangerous prisoners are obviously on a different level. But blokes who are in for theft, drug offences, fraud and the like have a good chance of redeeming themselves and acquire skills to help them find a job once their sentences are over.
I always thought denying the less dangerous or serious prisoners private time with their partners for sex is the lowest of the low. It would do wonders to reduce sexual assaults inside as well.
To put things into perspective Greeny, here are some statistics about drugs and alcohol consumption in the UK:
Every year, an average of 200,000 people die in the UK as a result of alcohol-related illnesses.
A similar figure (certainly six-figures, sorry I'm acting from memory here but I've seen the reports before) die from cigarette-related illnesses.
In the same typical year there are 0 deaths from cannabis-related illnesses. In fact there hasn't been a single such death ever.
If we look into other effects, alcohol plays a part in 40% of all crime- most notably fighting, assaults and more importantly domestic violence. It is also responsible for the deaths of some 1,000 people on the roads every year.
And whereas there are probably a few deaths on the roads related to pot, cannabis-related crime is almost non-existent; certainly the violent crime.
Could someone explain to me again why it is illegal?
Probably because it wouldn't make enough tax income to be worthwhile legalizing...
Oh, don't be so bloody stupid!
You're artificially inhaling something in to your lungs; you're telling me it doesn't do *anything*?
And, then, perhaps you can explain if it doesn't do anything, why the hell do you bother to smoke it in the first place?!
Furthermore, have you ever considered that because it isn't legal, or indeed as commonly accepted as smoking, then maybe people don't admit to smoking cannabis when they have illnesses? So "cannabis-related" incidents are not reported. That doesn't mean they don't exist.
Apparently UK sales alone are worth a cool £5bn a year. The government is losing out a small fortune by refusing to legalise it. There's another £6bn on indirect sales of chocolate, pizza and video rentals, as potheads like to stay in for a chilled session it seems
Oh, and they don't like "shiny, noisy places with too many choices such as Starbucks and McDonald's". Can't blame them for that...
Does it kill brain cells and affect your short-term memory? Yes. Can it cause psychological problems after long term use? Maybe. Does it kill? No, it doesn't. Not according to doctors anyway.
Doing 'something' to your state of mind has nothing to do with its potential to kill. LSD can fuck you up seriously but you don't hear of people dropping dead after eating one do you?
I tend to be rather a "social chameleon", and mix in with many strata of society. I had that one-on-one session with Jimmy Cater, and was on a first name basis with Wayne Morse. I count a few Senators and Congressman as friends. I worked in "debt resolution" for awhile, and that includes collecting that which was due from outlaw bikers, and such. I tracked people who thought they could disappear, states away. I earned a license in massage therapy, and used it for a time. I supported myself with my camera, for a decade. I am a published writer - fiction, non-fiction, and even poetry (bet THAT one would surprise you
All of that is outside of my "chosen profession" - professional motorcycle racer, FIM internationally licensed.
Be careful when you pick up that book with the blank brown cover... it might not be what you think.
My military service was but a short stop on the resume.
Well, I didn't know that, but....
Sounds like a weak self justification to me...
Do we need any more proof than your confused and poor logic to prove this? For years, doctors didn't see the link between smoking and cancer... doesn't mean it wasn't there, does it?
Given a different set of circumstances - as in, perhaps not having beened plunged into combat so early in life - I might have ended up so very much like Greenhat. What I respect most about him? Is his humanity. However, much like another of my Special Forces friends, one should never lose sight of the fact that there is a button within him which should not be pressed, and that button engages "the machine". The machine does not "feel"; it simply brings its assigned task to fruition.
Such is the way of warriors.
What that warrior does, when the machine is not engaged? Supplies the basis for the disciplined focus of the machine.
Although you may well view that as hypocracy... DICHOTOMY would be much more accurate, because both are truth, but to most observers, mutually exclusive.
Again, such is the way with warriors.
Even though there is as much tar and carcinogens in a single joint as in a whole pack of the worst cigarettes? :rolleyes:
The fact that most who smoke mary jane also tend to smoke tabacco would seem to obscure reality from you...
How poor a logic is that?
I think you should change dealers Thanatos, he's selling you shit.
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i lost two friends when i was a teenager. a head on crash cuased by bad visibility and road conditions due to severe rain.
should severe rain be made ilegal?
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Originally posted by bongbudda
I know a bloke who has been so badly treated it makes me sick.
Did you know that most prisoners in the US only get soap, not even a bloody tooth brush! and if you dont have people on the outside you get bearly enough clothes to keep you warm. What is that? __________________o__________________________
oh bongless one...you have never been inside a british victorian jail have you.
the victorians were mean. a cell big enough for one man to have a bad time in. today there are three men in that cell! no running water. no sink. no toilet. you piss and crap in a bucket. you can fill your water jug three times a day. one... one clean sheet a week.
one pair of underpants and socks a week. one hour a day out of the cell if it's not raining. you eat in the cell as well as shit and shave in there. 3 of you. no heating in the winter. boiling in the summer. laying there day after day. if you get put down the block for punishment... solitary confinement ,you can be placed on bread and water diet for up to three days. thats one jug of water
and nine slices of dry bread a day. jails are and should be tough.
last time i had a stay in one of her majesties establishments there were a lot of continentals, a few americans and others from around the world. they were mortified! wheres the telly and the pool table? laugh !!!!
To give you a bit of back ground I'll tell you a little about the case.
The bloke I knew basicaly went off to uni and went a bit over board with the coke and booze and gambling and lost a shit lot of money and got a bad habit.
He decided to clean up his act and entered the marines and that seemed to be ok for a while but the lure of coke was preaty bad and basicaly went AWOL with his girlfriend doing shit lots of coke and booze.
His girlfriend then gets pregnant and in desperation he attempts to rob a qwicky mart with a knife, it goes wrong and he stabs the bloke, who is hurt but not that badly.
Anyway he gets caught and the police tell him that if he doesnt confess and let himself get tried in the state where it happened rather than the one he was in they would charge her too and the kid would go into care.
Well he pleads guilty and she then turns state against him too (nice girl!), for the charge of attempted murder (which probally should have been just agrevated robbery) he got 50 years. Yes that is 20 years more than a life sentance.
But it gets worse, he was sharing a cell with three others and two of them had a piece of string for drying thier clothes, it was found and blamed on him. Its classed as stuff for escaping and he now is in maximum security in a cell by himself for 23 hours a day.
Well there you go, draw your own opinions but I think its horrific.
Would appear that he has what he was begging for - to be supported by the state. He earned it, he should now enjoy it.
Obviously, whatever you are smoking has irreparably degraded your cognitive capabilities...
You would be one of them who claims that he thinks more clearly when stoned, correct?
Would explain much...
the guy fucked up and is paying the price.
my crimes were always violence free but... i was always willing to be violent if needs be. most of what i did i got away with. but if i'd stabbed anyone and been caught, i would have no choice but to face up to whatever they threw at me. "if you can't do the time...
don't commit the crime".
Morrocan Roll agreeing with me??? :eek:
Who woulda thunk it???
I think some of the reasons juries sentence people to death is that they are afraid they'll be paroled.
Answer this question for me. Since most people in Texas are Prostestants or Catholics. And Prostestants, like Catholics, follow the second, not first testiment, why is the "eye for an eye" idea of justice sought? Shouldn't those states be turning the other cheek.
One thing MR, if you read details of the crimes...you might want the person dead.
Funniest thing is if there was really a God all these bible-bashing idiots would be the first ones to be sent to hell for eternal damnation. As a matter of fact your average atheist homosexual would have a much better chance of going to heaven that your average bible belter.