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It has always been illegal to carry a gun on the streets in the countries of Europe.
The only change in gun law was the banning of handguns altogether, however it is still perfectly legal to own a rifle or shotgun. You just can't use them, and you never have been able to.
Veiled references do not comprise "referenced" source material.
Care to actually post some? Or is that also conveniently classified as " national security" lol.
Really? Want to bet?
As for Clandestine, you wouldn't accept any sources I provided, so do your own research instead of being a lazy git (yep, I've got some Brit friends, and pick up some interesting terms from them).
I think its become fairly clear to most people here that you talk out the side of your mouth and merely deride anyone who questions your credibility. Its no contest how youd fare in any official debate.
Post your sources, if they are credible (unlike the Daily Mail) then you have nothing to worry about, I and others no doubt would more than likely even concur with you. Yet, all you do is dodge and make lame excuses.
Sorry to say, from what you have (or i should say, HAVEN'T) shown by way of references, you have been weighed and found wanting!
Medical issues
Trends
A Case Study
Arrests Note that the highest area for arrests is that with the strictest gun control and that convicted criminals are not allowed to own a firearm anywhere in the USA.
Data
Use of firearms
Internationally
Lots of references...
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Australia
Show your support
Violent crime
Myths
More Australia
A few more myths
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Policy analysis
An Australian Point of View
Weapons
Canadian View
Myth One:
Now, which one scares you more - being attacked with a gun or a hand?
Hmmmmm
Now lets go over that statement once again.
So you are implying (nay, stating) that "Dennis Charney M.D. Ph.D and Nancy Anreasen Ph.D" have " done the research" into issues of gun control.
Is that correct? Silly question I know, but meant to be taken rhetorically.
So where on earth is this evidence Greenhat?
I personally think that you just opened up your mouth and let rip before you had a chance to think things through properly and that the evidence is just non-existant. A very poor example of professionalism if you were to ask me (I know you wont ask me so I thought I'd slip it in anyway) and God help your armed forces if this is a prime example of the U.S. army's warrior mentallity.
All in all, a very poor show purple team. Must try harder. X
Myth No. 6: Criminals mainly have guns in order to commit crimes.
Ah, so they buy guns to protect themselves from other criminals who buy guns to defend themselves. :eek2:
How sweet!
Myth No. 5: People who buy guns are more prone to violence and crime than are other people.
Ah, so only the peaceful ones buy guns! You a pacifist then Greenhat?
Yeah, in the cities only the nasty people have them!
In the rural areas mugging isn't so easy to do (maybe they go to the cities?)
:rolleyes:
Not very academic this paper is it?
Think I'll try another one now!
Now this is a conservative papers report on an article written by a doctor who has the email address: medical@free-market.net
Not exactly research based evidence, and the email addy suggests not particularly impartial. Strangely enough medical@free-market.net says that the many reports that show a correlation between guns and violence are written by researchers who are not impartial.
Blimey! :eek2:
I'll try the next one I think.
Whoops a daisy! NRA report which only has the FBI as a source. Not exactly research based evidence here.
Maybe this one slipped in by accident?
:eek:
Ah, and back to Newsmax com. I'm sorry I called it a Conservative paper in a previous post, it is in fact a Conservative comic. It even claims :
BUSH: AMERICA'S BEST DIPLOMAT!
Oh, how I larfed!
Sorry Greenhat, evidence based research this is not!
ROFLMFAO
I'm sorry, there are many things you can say about either Bush, but that will never be one of them...
Now this one is academic, but its statistical and badly presented. I decided to search for the report that it went into, which brought me to this site
And they had some dead interseting things to say:
Key Fact:
The presence of a gun in the home makes it nearly three times more likely that someone will be murdered by a family member or intimate partner
In a comparison of Vancouver (gun control) and Seattle (less control):
Key Facts:
Although the assault rate was only slightly higher in Seattle than Vancouver, the rate of assault involving firearms was seven times higher in Seattle.
The risk of death from homicide was found to be significantly higher in Seattle than in Vancouver. This excess risk was explained by a nearly five-fold higher risk of being murdered with a handgun in Seattle as compared with Vancouver.
Rates of homicide involving means other than guns were not substantially different in the two cities.
Key Facts:
During the years 1985 to 1994, the percentage of firearm-related homicides among all homicides in the total population increased from 60% to 72%.
In the same period, firearms homicides increased from 67% to 87% among persons aged 15 years to 24 years old.
These increases illustrate that changes in overall homicide rates primarily reflect changes in firearm-related homicides.
They link these to evidence based research.
:eek: :crazyeyes
Now, I have to say that the bits of the report I read, don't really help you much Greenhat. If you can find the report in a better format, I'd be delighted to read the whole thing!
Ah, more people are killed by guns than any other weapons.
How nice!
No. Dennis and Nancy have both been involved in, or are involved in studies of the psychological makeup of people who carry guns. Pay attention to WhoWhere's idiotic statement.
Only the FBI? Where do you think all the data for US crime rates comes from?
Nevertheless, I can largely concur (surprise surprise) with your most recent point insofar as the FBI is the principal source of collating all reports nationwide from law enforcement agencies, courts, etc. related to crime.
However, there are some other sources apart from the FBI itself which carry out surveys into crimes and its impact, including The Department of Justice itself and of course independent research institutes (which comprise the non-governmental sphere of statistical analysis - i.e. Universities and think tanks).
This is an interesting starting point for the non-initiated as to the government methodology of crime reporting in the US.
http://www.crime.org/tutorial.html
Well in the UK data comes from a government research team and also from the British Crime survey. The BCS always shows a slightly higher incidence of crime than the government, as it uses interviews and not info from the police.
However the 2 are very similar and data from either can be found on their websites and are incorporated.
I'm surprised that a country like the USA only has one form of reliable data collection regarding crime.
Undoubtedly there are variations, given the fact that as they say "there are lies, damn lies, and statistics...".
It isnt too surprising given the need for a unified reporting methodology covering a continent-sized geographic area. Neverthless, you could probably find discrepencies amongst conclusions drawn from FBI composite indices and independent research carried out by institutes and universities.