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Peace palestinian style.....

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
September 19: Six people were killed and 60 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on one of Tel Aviv's busiest streets, in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue. Many of the wounded were in critical or serious condition. Both Islamic Jihad and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

September 18: An Israeli police officer was killed, and three others were wounded, in a suicide bombing at a bus stop near the Umm al Fahm junction in northern Israel. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

August 10: One Israeli was killed and another was seriously injured when a Palestinian terrorist infiltrated Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, and opened fire. The Fatah al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack

August 5: A Palestinian suicide bomber detonated himself in the vehicle of a resident of Nazareth. The driver, who tried to flee, was injured in the explosion.

August 5: A husband and his pregnant wife were killed, and one of their children, aged 3, was injured, when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in the West Bank. A Fatah-affilated group claimed responsibility for the attack

August 4: Four people were injured - one seriously - when shots were fired at a bus near the West Bank town of Tulkarem. In addition, three Israelis were seriously wounded by a bomb blast while traveling in vehicle north of Ramallah in the West Bank.

August 4: Two men were killed and 17 wounded when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire with a pistol shortly before noon near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City. The Fatah al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

August 4: Nine people were killed and about 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in northern Israel. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 31: Eight people were killed and 86 injured, 14 seriously, when a bomb went off at the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria on the Hebrew University Mt. Scopus campus during the busy lunchtime rush. Israeli authorities reported that the explosive device had been planted ahead of time, with the terrorist possibly detonating it by remote control. Five Americans were among the dead. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 30: Two Israeli brothers from the Israeli settlement of Tapuah were shot and killed by masked Palestinian gunmen while delivering diesel fuel to a neighboring Palestinian village. Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 30: Five people suffered light to moderate injuries in a suicide bombing at a falafel stand on Hanevi'im Street in central Jerusalem.

July 30: A husband and wife were injured overnight in the West Bank settlement of Itamar, when a Palestinian terrorist entered their bedroom while they were sleeping, armed with two knives. The terrorist was killed by security forces.

Palestinian police force.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    July 26: Four Israelis were killed, three from one family, and three were injured in a drive-by shooting attack near Hebron. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

    July 25: One Israeli was killed and another injured in a shooting attack near the West Bank settlement of Alei Zahav. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    July 21: The driver of an Israeli commuter train was moderately injured when an explosive device, detonated by remote control, went off on the tracks between Rehovot and Yavneh. No passengers were injured and the train, which was travelling from Binyamina, near Hadera, to Ashdod in the south, was not derailed.

    July 17: Three people were killed, and 40 more were injured, six seriously, in a double suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack

    July 16: Seven people were killed and 20 injured, several seriously, in a terrorist attack on a bus traveling from Tel Aviv to the West Bank. An explosive charge was detonated next to the bullet- resistant bus and three terrorists waiting in ambush opened fire on passengers who fled the bus in search of safety. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    June 30: Four people were lightly injured when a bomb placed on the railroad tracks went off just after a crowded train passed over the spot, just north of the city of Lod in central Israel.

    June 20: Five Israelis, including a mother, three children and a neighbor who came to aid the family, were killed, when a Palestinian terrorist entered a home and opened fire in the West Bank settlement of Itamar. Two other children and two soldiers were also injured in the attack. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack

    June 19: Seven people were killed and more than 50 were injured - three of them in critical condition - when a suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop in Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    June 18: Nineteen people were killed and more than 70 were injured, in a suicide bombing on a bus just outside of Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was traveling from Gilo to Jerusalem and had many students on board. In addition to the bus, at least two other vehicles were severely damaged in the attack. Hamas claimed responsibility.

    June 11: A 15-year-old Herzliya girl was killed and 15 others were wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber set off a pipe bomb at a restaurant in the coastal city of Herzliya, north of Tel Aviv. No one has claimed responsibility for the attack.

    June 11: Three junior high school youths were injured in a roadside bombing near Hebron.

    June 8: Three Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were killed, and five were injured when an armed terrorist inflitrated the community of Carmei Tzur, south of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsiblity for the attack.

    June 5: Sixteen people were killed and 38 injured - 7 seriously - when a car packed with explosives struck a bus at the Megiddo junction near Afula, in northern Israel. The bus, which burst into flames, was completely destroyed. The militant Palestinian group Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    May 28: Three yeshiva high school students were killed and two others wounded in Itamar, a settlement southeast of Nablus, when a Palestinian gunman opened fire, before he was shot dead by a security guard. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

    May 28: An Israeli man was killed in an ambush on the Ramallah bypass road. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

    May 27: A baby girl and her grandmother were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva, near Tel Aviv. The attack injured 40 others, some seriously. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    May 23: A suicide bomber, disguised as an Israeli with his hair dyed blond, killed at least two people and wounded more than 25 after detonating a powerful explosive in an outdoor market in Rishon Le Zion. The Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, a militant faction of Yasir Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility.

    May 19: Three Israelis were killed and more than 50 injured in a suicide bombing at an open-air market in Netanya. A Palestinian disguised as an Israeli soldier carried out the attack. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility. Two of the victims were identified as Yosef Haviv, 70 and Arkadi Wiselman, 40, both of Netanya. Wiselman, a chef at the Park Hotel, survived the Passover bombing on March 27.

    May 8: A Palestinian terrorist detonated a suitcase packed with explosives in a crowded gambling and billiards club near Tel Aviv, killing at least 15 people and wounding 58. The attack apparently was timed to coincide with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's visit to the United States, where he met with President George W. Bush and other administration officials to discuss a new proposal for ending the conflict.

    April 27: Three Palestinian gunmen disguised as Israeli Army soldiers cut through the perimeter fence of Adora, a settlement on the West Bank, and entered several homes, firing on residents in their bedrooms. Four people, including a 5-year-old girl, were killed in the attacks. Another seven were injured, including one seriously. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.

    April 12: At least six people are dead, and more than 60 are reported wounded, in the wake of a Palestinian suicide bombing in Jerusalem. The terrorist was attempting to board a bus near Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market when the explosives detonated. The Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades reportedly has taken responsibility for the attack.

    April 10: An Egged bus was blown up in a suicide bombing near Kibbutz Yagur, located close to Haifa, killing 10 people and wounding 17.

    April 1: An IDF reserve soldier, Sgt.-Maj. Ofir Rot, 22, of Gan Yoshiya was killed at a roadblock near Jerusalem's Har Homa neighborhood by a Palestinian sniper firing from Beit Sahur, near Bethlehem.

    April 1: Eight Israelis were wounded in a terrorist shooting attack at the entrance to Beit El in Samaria. Two were in critical condition, the other six were in light to moderate condition.

    March 31: A Magen David Adom paramedic was very seriously injured along with three other people in a suicide bombing at the emergency medical center in Efrat, in the Gush Etzion bloc south of Jerusalem.

    March 31: Fourteen people were killed and more than 40 injured in a suicide bombing in Haifa, in the Matza gas station restaurant near a shopping mall. Several of the injured were in serious to critical condition. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 30: Tomer Mordechai, 19, of Tel Aviv, a police officer, was killed in Jerusalem, when a Palestinian suicide bomber heading toward the city center blew himself up in his car after being stopped at a roadblock. The Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 30: About 30 people were injured, one critically and five seriously, by a powerful explosion in a cafe on the corner of Allenby and Bialik streets in Tel Aviv on Saturday evening. The Fatah Al- Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 29: Two people were killed and more than 20 were injured when a 16-year-old female Palestinian suicide bomber attacked a Jerusalem supermarket. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 27: Twenty-two people were killed and 140 injured - 20 seriously - in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in the coastal city of Netanya, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 24: Esther Klieman, 23, of Neve Tzuf, was killed in a shooting attack northwest of Ramallah while traveling to work in a reinforced Egged bus.

    March 24: Avi Sabag, 24, of Otniel was killed in a terrorist shooting south of Hebron.

    March 20: Seven people, including four soldiers, were killed and 30 people were wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus traveling from Tel Aviv to Nazareth. Two of the injurerd are in critical condition. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 19: 1st Lt. Tal Zemach, 20, of Kibbutz Hulda, was killed and three soldiers were injured when Palestinian terrorists opened fire at the paratroop training compound in the Jordan Valley. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 19: Two Border Police volunteers were lightly wounded when terrorists opened fire and threw a grenade at Moshav Aviezer, south of Beit Shemesh, on the Israeli side of the Green Line border. The gunmen were killed by Border Police
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    March 17: Twenty-five people were lightly injured when a suicide bomber exploded himself near an Egged bus at the French Hill junction in northern Jerusalem on Sunday afternoon. Many of the passengers were high school students on their way home from school. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 17: Noa Auerbach, 18, of Kfar Sava, was killed and 16 people were injured when a terrorist opened fire in the center of Kfar Sava on Sunday. The gunman was shot and killed by police.

    March 12: Eyal Lieberman, 45, of Tzoran in Samaria was killed and one person was wounded in a shooting attack on Tuesday morning at the Kiryat Sefer checkpoint, east of Modi'in.

    March 12: Terrorists opened fire, ambushing Israeli vehicles traveling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon late Tuesday morning. Six Israelis were killed and at least 6 others suffered injuries. Two terrorists were also killed. Israeli forces are still conducting aerial and land searches for other members of the terror cell.

    March 10: Shots were fired at a bar mitzva celebration in the coastal city of Ashdod. A 13-year-old boy suffered moderate-to-serious injuries in the attack. The terrorist was apprehended when his rifle jammed.

    March 10: St.-Sgt. Kobi Eichelboim, 21, of Givatayim died from wounds suffered in the morning when a Palestinian gunman disguised as a worker opened fire at the entrance to Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.

    March 9: An infant girl and a 27-year-old man were killed and about 50 people were injured, several seriously, when two Palestinians opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels. The terrorists were killed by Israeli border police. The Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 9: Eleven people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded at in a crowded cafe at the corner of Aza and Ben-Maimon streets in the Rehavia neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 8: Staff Sargeant Edward Korol, 20, of Ashdod, the medic of the Golani's Egoz unit, was killed by a Palestinian sniper in the Tulkarem refugee camp. The Israel Defense Forces incursion in the Tulkarem camp led to the discovery of two weapons-making facilities, a weapons arsenal, and a large quantity of explosive materials, including 10 Kassam-2 missiles. The 1,300 Palestinian men who turned themselves in were detained for questioning.

    March 7: A suicide bomber blew himself up shortly after 3:30 P.M. in the lobby of a hotel in the commercial center on the outskirts of Ariel in Samaria. 15 people were injured, one seriously. The PFLP claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 7: Aharon Krogliak of Beit El, Tal Kurtzweil of Bnei Brak, Asher Marcus of Jerusalem, Eran Pikar of Jerusalem, and Ariel Zana of Jerusalem, all aged 18, were killed and 23 people were injured, four seriously, when a Palestinian gunman penetrated a highschool that combines religious studies and military training in the Gush Katif settlement of Atzmona late Thursday night. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 7: A suicide bombing was prevented Thursday afternoon, when a man carrying an explosive device was blocked from entering a cafe on Emek Refaim Street in the German Colony section of Jerusalem.

    March 7: A suicide bomber blew himself up shortly after 3:30 P.M. Thursday afternoon in the lobby of a hotel in the commericial center on the outskirts of Ariel in Samaria. Four injuries have been reported.

    March 6: Cpl.(res.) Alexander Nastarenko, 37, of Netanya was killed when Palestinian gunmen crossed the fence and ambushed an army jeep on the patrol road near Kibbutz Nir Oz.

    March 6: 1st Lt. Pinhas Cohen, 23, of Jerusalem, was killed overnight near the southern Gaza town of Khan Yunis, in the course of anti-terrorist activity following the rocket attack on Sderot. Another soldier, whose name has not yet been released, was killed and three others were wounded when Palestinians attacked them with gunfire and grenades while on routine patrol along the border with Egypt

    March 5: Palestinians fired two Kassam II rockets at the city of Sderot shortly before 18:00 PM on Tuesday. One of the rockets hit a residential building, moderately wounding a 16-month-old infant. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 5: Police officers Salim Barakat, 33, of Yarka; Yosef Abey, 52, of Herzliya; and Eli Dahan, 53, of Lod were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 5: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured Tuesday morning in shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 5: One person was killed and 5 injured when a suicide bomber exploded in an Egged No. 823 bus as it entered the Afula central bus station at 8:30 Tuesday morning. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 2: The bullet-ridden body of Jerusalem police detective Chief-Supt. Moshe Dayan, 46, of Ma'aleh Adumim, was discovered Saturday evening next to his trail motorcycle, near the Mar Saba Monastery in the Judean Desert. Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 2: Ten people were killed and over 50 were injured in a suicide bombing at 7 pm on Saturday evening near a yeshiva in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzva celebration. The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. Six children were among the victims. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack.

    March 3: Sgt. Steven Koenigsburg, 19, of Hod Hasharon was killed and 4 soldiers injured Sunday morning when a Palestinian gunman opened fire near the Kissufim crossing in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad and Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

    March 3: Ten Israelis, including 2 IDF officers and 5 soldiers, were killed and 5 were injured when terrorists opened fire at 7:00 Sunday morning at an IDF roadblock north of Ofra in Samaria. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the attack.

    February 25: Palestinian terrorists killed two Israeli civilians and wounded two others - a pregnant woman and a small girl - in a shooting attack south of Jerusalem.

    February 22: Valery Ahmir, 59, of Beit Shemesh, was killed by terrorists in a drive-by shooting on the Atarot-Givat Ze'ev road north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work. Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

    February 19: Six soldiers were killed and one wounded in an attack near a roadblock west of Ramallah. Several terrorists opened fire at soldiers at the roadblock, including three off-duty soldiers inside a structure at the roadblock, killing them at point-blank range. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    February 19: A suicide bomber was prevented from boarding an Egged bus traveling from Jerusalem to Tiberias in the Jordan Valley. The terrorist was killed when, fleeing pursuit, he detonated the charge.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    February 18: Ahuva Amergi, 30, of Ganei Tal in Gush Katif was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car on Monday evening. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25, of Kiryat Ata and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21, of Kiryat Arba, who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

    February 18: Policeman Ahmed Mazarib, 32, of the Bedouin village Beit Zarzir in the Galilee, was killed by a suicide bomber who he had stopped for questioning on the Ma'ale Adumim-Jerusalem road on Monday afternoon. The terrorist succeeded in detonating the bomb in his car. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

    February 10: A drive-by terrorist shooting at the entrance to the IDF Southern Command base in Be’er Sheva killed two female soldiers and injured four others. One of the Palestinian terrorists was killed at the scene; the second, wearing an explosives belt, fled in the direction of a nearby school when he was shot and killed by a soldier and police officer. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    February 9: A drive-by shooting on the Trans-Samaria Highway killed a 78 year old woman. Palestinian gunmen opened fire on the car, apparently from an ambush, between Ariel and the Tapuah Junction.

    February 8: A 25-year-old Israeli woman was stabbed to death by four Palestinians, ages 14-16, while strolling with her boyfriend in the Peace Forest, below the Sherover Promenade in Jerusalem's Armon Hanatziv neighborhood.

    January 27: A suicide bombing in the center of Jerusalem killed one person and wounded more than 150. The terrorist, armed with more than 10 kilos of explosives, was apparently a female student from Nablus.

    January 25: A suicide bombing outside a cafe on a pedestrian mall in Tel Aviv injured 25 people. The Lebanese television station Al-Manar reported that the bomber was an Islamic Jihad activist sent by the organization's cell in Tulkarm and Israeli security services are investigating whether the Fatah organization in Tulkarm and Hezbollah may also have been involved.

    January 22, 2002: A Palestinian terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem, killing two women and injuring about 40 others. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the shooting.

    January 17, 2002: A Palestinian gunman burst into a bat mitzvah celebration in a banquet hall in Hadera, opening fire on the 180 guests with an M-16 assault rifle, killing 6 people and injuring 35 people. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    December 12, 2001: Palestinian gunmen attacked a No. 189 Dan bus and several passenger cars near the entrance to the settlement of Emmanuel, killing 10 people and injuring about 30 people.

    December 2, 2001: A suicide bombing on a No. 16 Egged bus in Haifa killed 15 people and injured about 40 people. Hamas claimed responsibility for the Haifa blast, while Hizbullah's radio and television stations expressed support for the attacks.


    December 1, 2001: A double suicide bombing at the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem at 11:30 p.m. on a Saturday night killed 11 people, aged 12-21, and injured 188 people. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    November 29, 2001: A suicide bombing of a bus on its way from Nazareth to Hadera killed three people. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    November 27, 2001: Two Palestinian gunmen opened fire on a crowd of people near the central bus station in the city of Afula, killing two people. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    October 28, 2001: Two Palestinian gunmen killed four Israeli women at a crowded bus stop in the city of Hadera. Although Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack, the two gunmen who carried out the attack were members of the attack were members of the Palestinian police force.


    Sorry for the multiple posts, but the palestinian version of peace is a lengthy subject..
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    your point?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So when can we expect you to start copying and pasting the list of Palestinian deaths at the hands of the Israelis?

    Mind you, I would understand if you decided against it. Considering there are roughly about 10 Palestinian murdered for every Israeli, and that these murders happen almost every day of the year, you'd have to spend all of today copying and pasting just to cover the Israeli Army kill record for 2002.

    Muppet.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah yes Aladdin, but thats not important enough for most Amaricans to care about. :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Balddog
    My point?

    Aladdin and Clandestine made my point..
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No all you showed us reverse is that only Israeli deaths mean anything to you. Neither myself nor Aladdin had to make any mention of the attrocities committed toward Israelis since you already provided that wonderful cut and paste roster to remind us all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quite typical, you can not and will not discuss the issues. First it begins by saying the other guy is worse, so whatever your guy does is blessed..

    Are you a parent? Haven;t you ever heard two wrongs do not make one right??

    You argue so eloquently... I'd love to read some one like you argue the moon is made out of Green Cheese... And I have no doubt you would win the arguement...

    Ever read the children's tale about the Emperor's Clothes?? :rolleyes:

    Then as always,when you have nothing its time to begin personal attacks.

    Point is, your type is quite predictable..

    Next, it will be how your spelling and grammar are better than mine...

    Yes, dear boy, I've been here with your type and quite often..

    You deal in rumor, the unsupportable, and the flat out faked.. But you do write it so well...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They should give the land back, and America shouldn't have backed Israel.
    Mind you, they shouldn't be fighting in the first place, they rely on each other economically, the Palestinians are cheap work, and it holds the economy together, but not any more...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Silverberg
    They should give the land back, and America shouldn't have backed Israel.

    They've offered to give the land back...to Syria, Jordan and Egypt, the countries that the land belonged to before they attacked Israel.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Two terrorists are chatting. One of them has his
    wallet out and is flipping through pictures. "Yeah,
    this is my oldest. He's a martyr. Here's my second
    son. He's a martyr, too."

    There's a pause. Then, the second terrorist says,
    wistfully: "Ah, they blow up so fast, don't they?"
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quite typical, you can not and will not discuss the issues

    Reverse, kindly remove your own blinders before assaulting anyone else. This issue has been running long before you ever crept in to be Greenhat's yes man.

    Noone said or suggested that either side was right, only that both sides are deeply guilty but that it is Israel upon whom the UN resolutions rest, not the Palestinians. Therefore let Israel honour the requirements of the resolutions fully if they wish to emerge with the moral highground rather than the current state of continued settlement building and daily slaughter of Palestinian civilians. Then we can sort of this mess in the international arena properly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Clandestine, your so smart....

    How can the UN put sanctions against the Palestinians? An of what use is the UN in stopping terrorists with sanctions?

    Im not as smart as you, but even I can see this is a ridiculous comparison.

    I dont believe that Israel is always in the right, but I dont see them resorting to or sponsoring terrorism. There is no justification for terrorism, EVER.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine


    Reverse, kindly remove your own blinders before assaulting anyone else. This issue has been running long before you ever crept in to be Greenhat's yes man.

    Noone said or suggested that either side was right, only that both sides are deeply guilty but that it is Israel upon whom the UN resolutions rest, not the Palestinians. Therefore let Israel honour the requirements of the resolutions fully if they wish to emerge with the moral highground rather than the current state of continued settlement building and daily slaughter of Palestinian civilians. Then we can sort of this mess in the international arena properly.

    The reason that Israel isn't interested in the resolutions is because the UN cannot do a thing about the terrorism. Not one thing. That has been illustrated time and time again. It is up to Israel to solve that problem, and it has tried dealing with Arafat, promising land, etc. But when its all said and done, the bombings continue. Well, the Israelis have had enough, and they are going to stop the bombings, and defend their land and their children. And there is not one thing the world can do to stop that either.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah yes and theyve been so effective at it by meeting it with violence now havent they? Perhaps our own government would do well to pay attention to the history of that conflict before locking us into a similar one of our own from more quarters than even our own military might could possible handle.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine
    Ah yes and theyve been so effective at it by meeting it with violence now havent they? Perhaps our own government would do well to pay attention to the history of that conflict before locking us into a similar one of our own from more quarters than even our own military might could possible handle.

    Well, our gov't has a history of being somewhat successful with violent solutions. Ask the Arapaho, the Creek, the Shawnee, the Sioux...not to mention the Barbary pirates, the Boxers, our own "Rebels", the Nazis and the Japanese. It helps to have a little historical perspective before you attempt to use history in your argument.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There you go, AGAIN! You abandon the touchie/feelie politically correct platform of surrender before contention, and expect for the delusional to base their perspective in the rational world.

    Bad Greenhat! BAD!

    lmfao!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you think that the Shawnee, the Sioux or any other case of our own faulted domestic history is now comparable to the Iraq crisis? Perhaps in the sense that it is a morally reprehensible part of our history I would agree.

    And once again, the Hitler parallel falls flat my friend. This is not a nice conventional situation of armies squaring off on the battle field, we are in an era od shadowy terrorist cells which one does not just fight with tanks, troops and artillery shells. Security has got to be much more encompassing of our global role in bringing this current situation to pass (namely our hypocritical and hegemonic foreign policy) than simply attacking everyone we think might be dangerous.

    In all your expertise on risk analysis, i challenge you to explain how Mr. Bush and Co. can be once again falling to the our previous oversight in Afghanistan by failing to live up to the promises made to Karzai concerning restoring the country to stability. All we have so far is a return to massive poppy prduction and heroine export.

    As for you Sopite, now who is doing nothing more than insulting? Please take your paltry abilities of reasoning elsewhere.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine


    Reverse, kindly remove your own blinders before assaulting anyone else. This issue has been running long before you ever crept in to be Greenhat's yes man.

    Noone said or suggested that either side was right, only that both sides are deeply guilty but that it is Israel upon whom the UN resolutions rest, not the Palestinians. Therefore let Israel honour the requirements of the resolutions fully if they wish to emerge with the moral highground rather than the current state of continued settlement building and daily slaughter of Palestinian civilians. Then we can sort of this mess in the international arena properly.

    GH attempts to debate the issues with you.. I just enjoy the humorous opportunity you present avoiding any real answers...

    There are no UN Resolutions because even the UN knows better than to waste their time with the palestinian terrorists.. I said palestinian terrorists, not the palestinian people...

    I work with a palestinian named Muneer.. He is very informative explaining how palestinians that dare disagree are beaten, tortured or killed.. But what would he know, compared to your depth..

    Daily slaughter of palestinians? Well, I posted the one side, where are your answers?
    That is besides your loud opinions, followed by more noise.. Point is, you have nothing to support your position..

    Except its yours.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Would that it were as easy to list a roster of Israeli committed atrocities, but seeing as how the media chooses not to report every act on a daily basis as it does with acts committed against Israel, such lists are far less available to simply copy and paste as you have done.

    I have neither the time nor inclination to go sifting through private accounts of attrocities from within the Palestinain territories only to have it ignored or further scoffed at by types like yourself who seem capable of claiming deep insight whilst ignoring or ridiculing opposing positions.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
      There is no justification for terrorism

      I agree 100% and apply that view equally to terrorism carried out by recognised armed forces. However, since you no doubt consider anything done by a recognised military machine as being legitimate and not its own form of state sponsored terrorism then there is little point to debating the issue with you.
    • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
      Originally posted by Clandestine
      And you think that the Shawnee, the Sioux or any other case of our own faulted domestic history is now comparable to the Iraq crisis? Perhaps in the sense that it is a morally reprehensible part of our history I would agree.

      And once again, the Hitler parallel falls flat my friend. This is not a nice conventional situation of armies squaring off on the battle field, we are in an era od shadowy terrorist cells which one does not just fight with tanks, troops and artillery shells. Security has got to be much more encompassing of our global role in bringing this current situation to pass (namely our hypocritical and hegemonic foreign policy) than simply attacking everyone we think might be dangerous.

      In all your expertise on risk analysis, i challenge you to explain how Mr. Bush and Co. can be once again falling to the our previous oversight in Afghanistan by failing to live up to the promises made to Karzai concerning restoring the country to stability. All we have so far is a return to massive poppy prduction and heroine export.

      As for you Sopite, now who is doing nothing more than insulting? Please take your paltry abilities of reasoning elsewhere.

      1. They are examples of the success of violent solutions. Reprehensible or not. And in the case of the Sioux, it represents success abainst a foe as dangerous as any terrorist.

      2. You really have very little understanding of history, do you? There is far more involved in WWII than just armies facing off. Maybe you should visit Paris and learn a bit about the Resistance.
    • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
      Originally posted by Clandestine

        I agree 100% and apply that view equally to terrorism carried out by recognised armed forces. However, since you no doubt consider anything done by a recognised military machine as being legitimate and not its own form of state sponsored terrorism then there is little point to debating the issue with you.

        What terrorism carried out by recognized Armed Forces, are you speaking of the Republican Guard?

        Members of the military are held to standards and bound by International Laws. Terrorists are not and ignore them.
        Making unarmed innocent men women and children a target is illegal and not tolerated by any of the militarys that you are so against.

        Point is, you see some twisted nobility in the attacks of terrorists. No one else does, what they do is savage and disgusting to any human.

        Yes, war is not a good thing for the innocent, but terrorists only wage war upon the innocent.

        Of course there is little point debating the issue.
      • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
        To those that attack reverse's list of attacks on Israeli civilians; you are free to itemize the "terrorism" against the arabs.
        I think a list of terrorists killed while hiding behind women and children wouldn't have the same impact.
        Perhaps Israel should copy the British method of putting down the indigineous trouble makers, ala the Sudan, India, or the settler terrorists (oops, I mean the Orange) of Northern Ireland.
        Or, better yet, Israel should take a page from the more enlightened late King (yes king, they still have absolute monarchies in the middle east, or had you forgotten) Hussein of Jordan who simply killed 5,000 palestinians in one month (black september) and kicked Arafat out of Jordan so he could start a civil war in Lebanon, where arafat and his PLO minions slaughtered over 100,000 lebanese.
        But, as your own good King Edward proved, good Englishman have no time for the Hebrews. Disgusting people, shame Hitler didn't finish them.
        22 arab countries in the world for the Palestinians to live in.
        Where should the jews go? Anywhere but jolly old England. Perhaps we should send them back to Germany?

        When the Protestant Settlers of Northern Ireland return to England and her majesty the queen gives Ireland back to the Irish, I will be more inclined to listen to a single word of the incredible hypocracy of the English.
        I do enjoy the English attitude towards a problem largely of their own making.
        Well done straightening out Pakistan and India as well.
        A shame others must clean out your imperial messes.

        Oh, you are from Europe? Which part? The part whose asses we saved or the part whose asses we kicked?
      • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
        Originally posted by reverse
        Quite typical, you can not and will not discuss the issues. First it begins by saying the other guy is worse, so whatever your guy does is blessed..

        * coughs

        Isn't that what this thread is about though, from a different perspective. i.e. That what Israel does is justified by that list you posted...?
      • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
        Originally posted by Sylvan
        When the Protestant Settlers of Northern Ireland return to England and her majesty the queen gives Ireland back to the Irish, I will be more inclined to listen to a single word of the incredible hypocracy of the English.

        and I'm sure that when the settlers of the US give it back to the Native Americans we will listen to you...
        Oh, you are from Europe? Which part? The part whose asses we saved or the part whose asses we kicked?

        Oh purlease :rolleyes:

        a. You didn't do it all by yourselves, so lets get off that horse.

        b. Clandestine, is American
      • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
        Originally posted by Greenhat
        Maybe you should visit Paris and learn a bit about the Resistance.
        Yay, the French! A plucky little people, much given to fine cuisine, bad singing and selling chemical weapons to eastern dictators.

        Would be speaking German now, if not for our colonial cousins, of course...

        Edited to add that all important :rolleyes:
      • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
        Originally posted by Uncle Joe
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        Would be speaking German now, if not for our colonial cousins, of course... [/B]

        Dream on.
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