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Why Arabs Loose Wars ~~

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_17/articles/deatkine_arabs1.html


The leadership don't want to train their subordinates out of fear that they will take over. The command treat the enlisted soldiers like sub-humans. The enlisted don’t respect the command.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why Americans are illiterate
    Originally posted by Diesel
    Why Arabs Loose Wars

    The leadership don't want to teach their citizens for fear they'll realise they're getting screwed. The politicians treat their people like imbeciles. The people are imbeciles.

    It's spelt lose.

    "Loose" is the opposite of "tight".

    :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    An interesting read Diesel. One of your more relevant contributions ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whowhere, I thought so...stole it from a friend but thought it would be apppreciated here too.

    btw, the flag is being displayed on all US warships per 'orders' a few days ago...until then it was only flown on the oldest active US warship.

    I have always believed that any change amoung peoples must come from within and not be imposed by US or anyone else for that matter. The islamics have had an internal structure problem for longer than US has existed...and I'm not convinced that 'democracy' is the right answer for them. After all, we, US, got our form of government from the way pirate ships were governed...pirate ships commissioned by England...!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    " Every Nation lose's in a War, War is for the Weak, peace is for righteous " - U.2.K.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    General, it has been well said that war is hell...all the more so if you are a poor soldier led by an idiot!

    :eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ...all the more so if you are a poor soldier led by an idiot!


    LOL, Diesel, you couldnt have described GWB any better! :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Diesel, perhaps Arab nations would win wars if they had 1.3 Trillion Dollars to spend every year in defence. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Diesel, perhaps Arab nations would win wars if they had 1.3 Trillion Dollars to spend every year in defence. :rolleyes:

    The Arabs have more to spend than the country they have attempted to destroy multiple times.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Greenhat


    The Arabs have more to spend than the country they have attempted to destroy multiple times.

    From the London Times link that you posted, which I seem no longer to be able to find...

    http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20020811
    The fact that Israel is a democracy, while there is not a single democracy in the entire Arab world, is ignored. The fact that Israel exists in part because of Europe's legacy of genocidal anti-Semitism is also conveniently forgotten. The fact that Israel occupies the West Bank out of self-defense in the 1967 war is also expunged from memory.

    Strange - is it not - how reality is conveniently forgotten when seeking to further ones emotional issues and agenda? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Maybe they are too religious and rely on Allah too much.

    As there is no Allah/God to help them win, they get slaughtered.

    Paul
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One of the early problems teaching Saudi pilots to fly fighters (or anything for that matter) was their need to bow to meca and pray five or six times a day...they couldn't figure out how to do it in flight.

    Now that sounds funny to us but to them it is serious bueiness.

    We could get into the details of the wahhabi cult, etc., but it would just piss some folks off and that isn't the point.

    They lose wars because from their leadershop on down their lives are based upon a false premis...islam! And while it worked for centuries there comes a time when folks get fed up with them and push back...current events aren't the first time.

    No matter what kind of whackey thing they do it is always with the sincerely held belief that it is alla's will and therefore nothing to apologize for if they fail or do something realllllllllly bad...like gasing their own people, etc.

    :eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you'll find that Saddam is a pretty secular leader, considering the usual standards. He, being the only leader to use WMDs on civilians in recent times that comes to mind, didn't need to use Allah as an excuse.

    With regard to Arab countries' ability to fight, they might have poor leadership and equipment, but on the other hand their willingness to sacrifice their own lives can prove a formidable obstacle in guerilla-type war and terrorist activities, as the Russians in Chechnya would only be too happy to confirm.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    on the other hand their willingness to sacrifice their own lives can prove a formidable obstacle in guerilla-type war and terrorist activities, as the Russians in Chechnya would only be too happy to confirm.

    But one which will ultimately fail, unless they have a never ending supply of martyrs. Killing yourself is hardly the best tactic in war...

    Its a tactic that the Chinese used in Korea, trying to swamp their enemy with sheer numeric force. The kill ratio of the UN forces proved that to be a folly.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent


    But one which will ultimately fail, unless they have a never ending supply of martyrs. Killing yourself is hardly the best tactic in war...

    Its a tactic that the Chinese used in Korea, trying to swamp their enemy with sheer numeric force. The kill ratio of the UN forces proved that to be a folly.

    Remember the article we had posted here a while back on First Generation warfare, Second Gen. ... Fourth Gen.? Your statement is factually correct, but applies on a 2GW vs. 2GW setting. We really don't know what would happen if a numerically superior 4GW force went up against a technologically superior 2GW (3GW on a good day) force.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MacKenZie


    Remember the article we had posted here a while back on First Generation warfare, Second Gen. ... Fourth Gen.? Your statement is factually correct, but applies on a 2GW vs. 2GW setting. We really don't know what would happen if a numerically superior 4GW force went up against a technologically superior 2GW (3GW on a good day) force.

    The article was theory. Not fact. Not a whole lot of people in the field agree with the concepts suggested in that article.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MacKenZie


    Remember the article we had posted here a while back on First Generation warfare, Second Gen. ... Fourth Gen.? Your statement is factually correct, but applies on a 2GW vs. 2GW setting. We really don't know what would happen if a numerically superior 4GW force went up against a technologically superior 2GW (3GW on a good day) force.

    Do you have a link to that mate?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It not Just arabs that suffer from that

    The Italians in WW2
    Most 3rd world countries

    both spring to mind.

    The Otterman Army of 1917-18 despite its deficiencies proved a right tough nut to crack, And was finaly overcome by the bulk of the Indian Army, and a massive artillery advantage to the British forces.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere


    Do you have a link to that mate?

    Nope, sorry. Either search the forum or ask Baldy or Diesel, since it was one of those two that posted the link.

    Greenhat: I thought "asymmetric warfare" was a concept taken quite seriously? Or are you saying the the specific interpretation of warfare, 1st through to 4th generation, is the bit that isn't given much credence?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actualy i think a mate may have cracked it.

    Many Arab countries use old soviet weapons and some of the old soviet doctrine

    Unfortunately they also follow soviet doctrin a little too slavishly, When attacked, they fall back and wait for winter!:rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MacKenZie

    Greenhat: I thought "asymmetric warfare" was a concept taken quite seriously? Or are you saying the the specific interpretation of warfare, 1st through to 4th generation, is the bit that isn't given much credence?

    I'm referring to the specific interpretation, and in particular the choices that author made in assigning 1st to 4th generations. There are a lot of people in the field that think that he is wrong on his assumptions as to what 4th generation warfare is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you have any links to material on the web that takes the issue further? Any follow-on or rebuttal articles, that kind of thing?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Read a bunch of stuff on this a while back, I'll see what if I can come up with any links over the weekend.
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