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Computer for processing photos and gaming

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I've had an XboxOne on preorder for a while and keep thinking against the idea of owning another one.

I'm curious if I should spend my money on a good computer for image processing and gaming. But the thing is that I have no idea about computers and their components.

So what would people do in this situation?

Ideally I want to become a photographer who sells photos (yes I know this is difficult if you don't know what you're doing).


Typing this out seems to be a waste of time and I may just buy the XboxOne console.

BUT

Please tell me what components you would recommend. I would buy a computer from PCSpecialist as my dad has had no problems buying 2 computers from them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Pretty much any computer nowadays would handle the 2D processing involved in photo image work. Most of the money you'd put in to your system goes in to the graphics card for any 3D games you might want to play.

    http://www.overclockers.co.uk/LP/systems2.php has a good range of systems see http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43&catid=2475&subid=2602 for an example of price ranges. Depending on your desires, you could go for any of the systems on that page and be fine with current games at reasonable resolution and quality. Of course, you'd need a monitor if you don't already have one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thank you for the links.

    What's the difference between intel and AMD?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's a matter of some debate, but, from the user perspective, very little - your computer will behave the same way regardless. Some people debate around the heat levels, power per £, efficiency and so on. When I last purchased any major upgrade, intel chips still led the way. I've not kept up with developments enough to know if that is still the case.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It is.

    AMD lost their way a little bit but they look like they might be at the beginning of a comeback. They were getting their clocks cleaned by Intel and Nvidia but they just put out a graphics card that beats a Titan for something like half the price.

    Shame it runs to 95C under load. My PC would melt.

    Personally I would advise against getting an Xbox One at launch. It sounds like there are real issues with performance (COD is only running at 720p) and the games just aren't there. It's £429 for not an awful lot.

    The specs for your PC will depend on what kind of gaming performance you expect. 1080p at 60 fps as standard? 1440p or higher? I personally wouldn't invest in a machine without an SSD but that might be irrelevant to you. Do you care about how loud the machine is? You need to work out exactly what kind of PC you want.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I cancelled all my pre orders this afternoon. I'm going to invest in a computer.


    Think I'll stick with intel.

    I just want a PC for CS6 (to process my photos) and some gaming on let's say Minecraft, Euro Truck Simulator and maybe even Assassin's Creed 4 and Call of Duty.

    I've been giving the idea of buying parts and fitting them myself.

    If I don't go with that option, Overclockers seem like decent website. I think I would definately buy an over clocked machine then I can upgrade/add components to it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    TBH unless you have some very specific requirements or a real desire to do it, I wouldn't build the thing yourself. These days you're generally better off getting a pre-built machine, especially as there are now a number of places (overclockers.co.uk included) that build machines entirely from quality components.

    The main reasons for build yourself in the past have been -

    Hobbyists (doing so for the hell of it)
    Cost
    Pre-built machines not matching spec
    per-built machines using poor quality components.

    Most of those things no longer apply.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One of my cousins built his and it only cost him £800. It would have cost him £2500 to buy already pre-built
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you can source your parts and you know what you're doing then sure.
    Otherwise I'd buy it assembled.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'll probably get the computer ready built to save the hassle.

    I'm in no rush to buy a PC at the moment, I'm doing a lot of research just now
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I do all my photo editing and manipulation on an HP laptop that cost me £350 from PC world. It has 8gb of RAM on it, and its doubtful I would ever need more than that unless I was using it as a server or hosting virtual machines.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Considering this setup

    Note: I'll be changing the Processor Cooling to a Titan Super Quiet 22dBA Cooler

    Case PCS TRAIL-BREAKER 7206B BLACK CASE
    Processor (CPU) Intel® Core?i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4670 (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache
    Motherboard ASUS® Z87M-PLUS: m-ATX, USB3.0, SATA 6.0, XFIRE
    Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
    Graphics Card 3GB AMD RADEON? R9 280X - DVI, HDMI, DP - DX® 11, Eyefinity 4 Capable
    Memory - 1st Hard Disk 1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
    1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
    Memory Card Reader INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
    Power Supply CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES? VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
    Processor Cooling INTEL STANDARD CPU COOLER
    Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Wireless/Wired Networking 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
    USB Options MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
    Power Cable 1 x 2 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
    Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1

    Monitor AOC 21.5" WIDESCREEN LED TFT - 1920 x 1080, 5MS, D-Sub, DVI-D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bit overkill for playing the games you want and running CS6, but if you've got the cash, go for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    JavaKrypt wrote: »
    Bit overkill for playing the games you want and running CS6, but if you've got the cash, go for it.

    What do you mean by 'overkill' ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would get an SSD as a boot drive for your operating system and a couple of most used programs. I would also consider a second 7200rpm hard drive purely for installing games on. Next gen games are going to be fucking MASSIVE.

    I would also slap in 16GB of ram. But that's just me :razz:

    Not a fan of that case but I prefer black monoliths.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FishyFrags wrote: »
    What do you mean by 'overkill' ?

    Paying more for hardware resources you're not likely to use.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That should prove to be a pretty capable machine, I expect. If you add more hardware in the future you may need to consider the power supply rating, but I think it should be fine for now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've just built my own system for gaming and photo editing. £750 got me
    Intel I-5 3470 3.2ghz quad processor
    16Gb Ram
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
    AMD Radeon VTX3D HD 7870 Black Boost Edition 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    OCZ OCZ-ZS650W-UK ZS Series 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power
    Samsung 120Gb SSD Drive for boot and Photoshop CS5
    Western digital 1tb hard drive
    Existing 1 tb hard drive from old PC
    Arctic 12" cooling fan
    Generic PCI extractor fan
    Shit case that needs replacing as it's too hot.

    Don't get a "K" processor unless you intend to overclock, you're paying extra money for nothing. My PC boots from cold to Windows in about 18 seconds, Photoshop loads almost instantly and all my games now play on Ultra settings.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Infinite. wrote: »
    I would get an SSD as a boot drive for your operating system and a couple of most used programs. I would also consider a second 7200rpm hard drive purely for installing games on. Next gen games are going to be fucking MASSIVE.

    I would also slap in 16GB of ram. But that's just me :razz:

    Not a fan of that case but I prefer black monoliths.

    Just placed my order for this setup


    Case PCS TRAIL-BREAKER 7206B BLACK CASE
    Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-4670 (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache
    Motherboard ASUS® Z87M-PLUS: m-ATX, USB3.0, SATA 6.0, XFIRE
    Memory (RAM) 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)
    Graphics Card 3GB AMD RADEON™ R9 280X - DVI, HDMI, DP - DX® 11, Eyefinity 4 Capable
    Memory - 1st Hard Disk 1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
    1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
    Memory Card Reader INTERNAL 52 IN 1 CARD READER (XD, MS, CF, SD, etc) + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
    Power Supply CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
    Processor Cooling Super Quiet 22dBA Triple Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler
    Sound Card ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
    Wireless/Wired Networking 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
    Wireless Router/HomePlugs NONE
    USB Options MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 4 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
    Power Cable 1 x 2 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
    Operating System Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence
    DVD Recovery Media Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) DVD with paper sleeve
    Office Software NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
    AntiVirus BULLGUARD INTERNET SECURITY V2013 - 1 Year + 5GB Online Backup
    Monitor AOC 21.5" WIDESCREEN LED TFT - 1920 x 1080, 5MS, D-Sub, DVI-D
    Warranty 3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)



    I'm in no rush to add more RAM and I'll consider another Hard Disk if I feel the need to get one.


    Mist wrote: »
    That should prove to be a pretty capable machine, I expect. If you add more hardware in the future you may need to consider the power supply rating, but I think it should be fine for now.

    The maximum power is 499W on this setup
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dude, get an SSD drive to put windows and photoshop on. You can get a 128gb for £65, the difference in speed is amazing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dude, I'm not buying anything else. I've spent enough!!

    I'll buy one IF I feel the need to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Your choice, it'll be more difficult to install it and move Windows onto it once you've built the computer.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Once I've built the computer?



    I've been considering it today and I think I may have to buy an SSD at some point. Not in a rush though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or once the computer is built. We've got ssd's at the office. Can't wait to get my own. IMO you've made a mistake not getting one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well it just means reinstalling windows if you decide to get one later, which may or may not be a big deal.

    Chances are you probably won't get one now, though, so it's a bit of a moot discussion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you think I'm stupid guys? Why the hell would you need to reinstall Windows for? What a load of nonsense! I've never heard such b*llsh*t in my entire life!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FishyFrags wrote: »
    Do you think I'm stupid guys? Why the hell would you need to reinstall Windows for? What a load of nonsense! I've never heard such b*llsh*t in my entire life!

    I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FishyFrags wrote: »
    Do you think I'm stupid guys?

    After this post? Yeah, kinda.

    You understand an SSD is a type of hard drive right? A hard drive that is much faster than a normal spinning hard drive, like the one in the machine you ordered? And you understand that people install operating systems to SSDs because they are so fast and they speed up boot times considerably? And that when you buy one, they don't come with Windows installed? So you would need to install windows to it when you put it into your computer?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FishyFrags wrote: »
    Do you think I'm stupid guys? Why the hell would you need to reinstall Windows for? What a load of nonsense! I've never heard such b*llsh*t in my entire life!

    not joking you are the rudest person iv ever come across on these boards! can't imagine what you're like in real life...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    FishyFrags wrote: »
    Do you think I'm stupid guys? Why the hell would you need to reinstall Windows for? What a load of nonsense! I've never heard such b*llsh*t in my entire life!

    Stupid? No. Fucking rude? Yes.

    You asked us about what sort of PC you should build, what specs would be best for a decent gaming and photo editing computer. We're all saying that having Windows on an SSD is one of the best things you can do to improve system performance. I may know more than you because I've just fucking built one.
    We're saying you would have to uninstall windows from one drive and reinstall it on the other because that is exactly what you would have to do. You can't just copy the windows directory from one hard drive to another.

    Doing the whole SSD thing is easier at the point of building it. From pressing the power button to being on the internet my computer takes about 15-20 seconds to load, photoshop loads instantly (as fast as MS Paint), other games and software load instantly as well. A lot of that is down to the SSD.
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