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80% of drivers believe they are better than the majority of drivers

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
It's a logical fallacy, isn't it?

Yet every. Single. Day. On my way home from work I encounter countless bad drivers who seemingly have their licence without any problem. There are junctions where I know for a fact people will dangerously break the highway code, and have to be extra vigilant because of this mass lemming effect.

Why are so many bad drivers on the road? I'm not a great driver, but crucially I am a safe driver. I still have two hands on the wheel. I still check my air and seating positions on a regular basis. I still check for cyclists, pedestrians and motorbikes every single time I change from stationary to moving, even if I'm in the middle of a dual carriageway.

It's not that hard to be at least adequate.
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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,169 Skive's The Limit
    There are plenty of bad drivers out there. MLM's (Middle Lane Morons) who sit in any one of the outside lanes whilst over taking absolutely fuck all, tend to be the worst. They sit in their middle lane with only half their attention on the road and through their ignorance are a danger to other motorists.
    They're too good to share a lane with lorry's and think that it's safer to stick to one lane. This causes other drivers to get upset when they cause a rolling road block and an upset driver is a dangerous driver. Often you'll find people who complain about tailgators are MLMs and don't even know it.

    When I see somebody being stupid I don't have a problem letting them know. Have had a couple of physical altercations with cyclists in London. Wankers.
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  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Warming up? Posts: 16,688
    It's quite often that cars crash in the junction just outside my house. The reason is always one of the two: Someone crosses with a red light or someone tries to do a U-turn despite it being forbidden.
    If no one is hurt (they rarely are, thankfully) I'm glad that the driver who did the idiocy's car is totalled and sad for the other one.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Middle lane drivers and drivers who go everywhere at 42mph are a menace. But they think they're safe.

    I'm a safe enough driver when I'm not angry, but I get angry too often now when driving. So now I only drive when I have to. Its the best way of avoiding the fuckwits who can't read speed limits (either way) and those who feel all unmanned when I overtake their Audi Cockwagen in my little Aygo.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Amusing. I was just thinking on my drive home, what a happy person I would be if I could just murder everybody that drives the same route as I. Not that they are bad drivers, though of course, I am better than all of them ;), just far too many and there is never any reason why the traffic slows to a stop on the highway - it always just does.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Middle lane drivers and drivers who go everywhere at 42mph are a menace. But they think they're safe.

    I'm a safe enough driver when I'm not angry, but I get angry too often now when driving. So now I only drive when I have to. Its the best way of avoiding the fuckwits who can't read speed limits (either way) and those who feel all unmanned when I overtake their Audi Cockwagen in my little Aygo.

    I had the same problem for a while but just practice detachment. My 'objective' when driving is to have the highest MPG, which really lends itself to defensive driving. I think men in particular are 'objective based' and transfers over to driving subconsciously, meaning plenty will overtake for the sake of overtaking even if they gain no advantage from it.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I don't drive on motorways often I find the people who constantly drive at 40mph frustrating. I've often been late for work because I've got stuck behind one of them and not been able to overtake them so then I have to stay the minutes I was late (we have a clock in fingerprint machine) so I don't get my wages docked - very annoying when I work late shifts. As I've only been driving 4 years this year I don't think I'm better than most drivers, but at least I pay attention to speed limits and drive at the highest safest speed I can.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Everyone assumes that theyre a good driver. No one is ever going to admit to being a bad driver. I hate cars in general and the false sense of security and righteousness it seems to give people. We should all just own a bike :razz:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So the responses to this thread pretty much mirror the statistics...

    :D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not the best driver in the world, but I am pretty safe, and I genuinely wonder how a fair amount of people on the road even passed their tests.

    And don't even get me started on tailgaters, people who try to race you at lights (why?), and the motorway vigilantes! Yes, we are all annoyed that the idiot is pootling along in the middle lane, but cutting in about 2 feet in front of him makes you just as much of a dick as them. Also people who think that you get in the left lane to turn right at a roundabout despite the huge signs suggesting otherwise!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The ones who slow right down or stop at roundabouts when everyone can see nothing is coming.

    The ones who indicate right as they join a roundabout but just drive straight on.

    People who refuse to overtake parked cars if there is oncoming traffic when you can see they've got about 4 feet of clear space either side of them.

    When you're the last car in a line of about 7 or 8 and there's a car coming out of a side-street, waiting to join the road and all the cars in the line ignore him....except the driver in front of you. If he'd looked in his mirror he'd have seen there's nothing behind you and had he not stopped, the car coming out of the side-street would have been away in a second.

    Taxi drivers who simply just.......stop.

    'Ethnic' drivers who come from countries where little or no attention is paid to staying (or getting) in lane and repeat this behaviour on our roads.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :lol: 'ethnic'
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    TBH having grown up in Leicester there is something to do with it, but I don't think it's due to ethnicity, I think it's due to money. Basically, the poorest people will drive without insurance and without licences, because they don't have a choice (they can't afford to do it legally, and some will choose they want to do it illegally anyway).

    The kind of people who do travel to the UK for work or otherwise, they are often very poor and live in crowded houses and share shitty cars. So it gives a false impression that people who aren't white british are bad drivers, when really it's just poor people are more likely to be driving without a licence / sufficient driver education, and people who aren't white british are more likely to be these really poor people.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So the responses to this thread pretty much mirror the statistics...

    :D

    Absolutely :)

    I think to put it better, probably 80% of drivers are 'alright', 10% are 'bad' and 10% are 'terrible'.

    But almost every driver on that scale has seen that 10% of terrible drivers, often on a daily basis. They just drive like they dont. Give. A. Fuck. :P
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,169 Skive's The Limit
    In all honesty, I do think I am one of the better drivers, certainly above average?
    I drive around 900 miles a week on average, and have done so on and off for years without having a single accident. I regularly drive on the continent and I have a few years experience of riding a motorbike on the road, which as any motorcyclist will tell you makes you much more aware driver.
    I do break speed limits and have a few points to prove it, but I think I do so safely.
    Pretty much the only time I feel myself becoming a worse driver is when I'm angry, and thankfully I'm able to control that much better as I get older.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's an interesting point that the responses in this thread mirror the statistics - and I'm going to join that by saying I also think I'm a reasonably competent driver.

    That said, I've had an Institute of Advanced Motoring assessment that said I was a low risk driver, so would like to think I've got better grounds than most for saying it. I'm no angel. I overtake people, I speed and I like fast acceleration. I also moderate my driving based on the surroundings. I'll do 50 mph in the middle lane on a motorway, in wet conditions with poor visibility. I'll also do 90mph down the inside lane if that motorway is empty and the conditions are right.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that no driver would claim that he's actually a bad driver. Even if they already engage in accidents they still point out their fingers to the other person and majority do not claim the wrong. In may case, I almost got into car accidents several times (thank God it didn't happen yet) and I always blame the other party for that mistake :d

    I know that sometimes I also did wrong but it's just so hard to accept it. :D

    Very true. I once hit a fire hydrant. What kind of asshole puts those up? Not my fault at all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that no driver would claim that he's actually a bad driver. Even if they already engage in accidents they still point out their fingers to the other person and majority do not claim the wrong.

    Actually in my experience, most people DO admit fault in accidents, although they do often blame outside factors for their distraction. I think (and I would include myself in this) most people are reasonably good drivers who sometimes do stupid things. It's just lucky/unlucky as to whether the stupid thing is a near miss or an accident.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    In all honesty, I do think I am one of the better drivers, certainly above average?
    I drive around 900 miles a week on average, and have done so on and off for years without having a single accident.

    I love it when people say they believe they're a "better than average driver" due to their high mileage or length of time they've been driving - I used to play darts down my local for 7 years and I'm still crap ;)
  • littlemissylittlemissy knit chick Posts: 9,972
    I much prefer to think that all drivers are shit because when they do something stupid it won't surprise me! Or if they then do something that is good it pleasantly surprises me!!

    And I don't assume I don't piss others off either.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's worth mentioning that the UK has some of the lowest road death statistics in the world, so maybe we actually are all pretty decent drivers.

    Anyway, I don't feel even slightly sorry for any of you with the type of shit I have to put up with here. Basic things like moving to the left if you want to turn left at the junction. Not rocket science, but logic that's beyond most people here. Of course there's stuff that's counter-intuitive too, that you can only get from decent training. For example, if you want to move from the left to the right of the road (or vice-versa), make sure you're going faster than everyone else. You'll often see people here almost coming to a halt to try and switch lanes. I've got to say, I've never seen a crash here that's not been the result of someone blatantly breaking one of the traffic rules. My favourite was an idiot who ran the red lights and crashed into a police bike. Not a good idea. The police bike didn't move and he ended up on his arse. And that was probably just the start of his trouble.

    So yeah, after living here, I'd say most people in the UK are pretty decent drivers.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    tbh, we are, I mean driving in italy or france really opens your eyes to a slightly less considerate viewpoint.

    I think in the UK we have a less tolerant view of drink driving, or drug driving, an expect a certain level of competancy that's a bit higher than european average.
  • littlemissylittlemissy knit chick Posts: 9,972
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    tbh, we are, I mean driving in italy or france really opens your eyes to a slightly less considerate viewpoint.

    I think in the UK we have a less tolerant view of drink driving, or drug driving, an expect a certain level of competancy that's a bit higher than european average.

    Tbh, I thought I was going to die crossing a zebra crossing in Rome. Scary driving indeed!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They don't have to stop unless you're on it... In germany they don't have to stop at all, it's just a recommended crossing point. The germans always found my daddy amusing, because he stopped for them
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Japanese on the other hand will always stop for you. And they also have a low number of road deaths. They also drive on the correct side of the road, like us. Coincidence? I think not. :d
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Drinking driving is an interesting one actually, there is next-to-zero tolerance in 'public' perception in the UK (and rightly so, imo) even though driving impairment after one or two drinks is often less than if you were simply tired, or especially if you are trying to drive and eat / drink which I didn't realise until recently.
  • littlemissylittlemissy knit chick Posts: 9,972
    Fiend_85 wrote: »
    They don't have to stop unless you're on it... In germany they don't have to stop at all, it's just a recommended crossing point. The germans always found my daddy amusing, because he stopped for them

    Yeah, I realised that afterwards. They were still rather scary though!! I've never heard so many people honking in my life. It seemed constant from sunrise to sunset. It definitely put our driving habits into perspective.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,169 Skive's The Limit
    I love it when people say they believe they're a "better than average driver" due to their high mileage or length of time they've been driving - I used to play darts down my local for 7 years and I'm still crap ;)

    Poor analogy.

    A much higher mileage than most combined with accidents whatsoever, would suggest I am a safer driver. Insurance companies to to agree.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's not that poor an analogy. I tend to use public transport these days but still think I'm a better driver than about 70% of the tossers driving taxis in this city. Addison Lee drivers in London will drive thousands more miles than me, but they're still pretty much all twats.

    But I know what you mean. Lots of miles together with no accidents does tend to show good driving standards.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    Poor analogy.

    A much higher mileage than most combined with accidents whatsoever, would suggest I am a safer driver. Insurance companies to to agree.

    Insurance costs are not soley based on accidents. I've been driving for 19 years without an accident. Does that make me a good driver? Maybe. Is it possible that although I've not been in any accident, many may have occurred in my rear view mirror? Nothing to suggest they haven't.

    It could be you have been very fortunate. My father has been driving for 45+ years and he's an awful driver. But never had an accident.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,169 Skive's The Limit
    It's not that poor an analogy.

    It is. I'm not saying that driving a lot of miles makes a me a better driver simply through practice, I'm saying my high mileage with a distinct lack of incident prooves I'm not a terrible driver. There's a difference.

    And playing darts on a regualr basis will generally improve your playing.

    In my experience the best drivers on the road tend to be Biritsh lorry drivers, even though they fuck me off overtakign each other on 2 lane carriage ways.
    I went on a speed awareness course and it amazed me how little people knew about driving. Many thought the national speed limit on a dual carriageway was 60mph and that you couldn't get single lane dual carriageways.
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