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Sean Duffy and Internet Trolls

**helen****helen** Mod malarkistPosts: 9,235 Listening Ear
Hey :wave:

Guessing most of you have read about Sean Duffy today...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/sep/13/internet-troll-jailed-mocking-teenagers

I have to say it took me back to horrible memories of the fall out after Jake0 died...(aware not all of you were around for this but basically not happy times). I'm glad that our lovely memories of Jakey do outweigh all the craziness that hit the forums and other websites afterwards though. Small mercy that it was before the days of facebook... :)

What's been interesting though is an article someone sent to me which is an interview from an internet troll (found through comment is free)

http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2011/09/interview-with-a-troll/

So, what are your thoughts on both of these...

Comments

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I never realised trolling could be so co-ordinated or thought of as political. Trolling to me is the intent to cause upset online anonymously. But I guess what can upset one person may not affect another. Back in the day I liked causing what I considered back then to be mischief in chat rooms when I was bored. It was mostly deliberately disagreeing with people for the sake of it. It was really immature but I thought it was hilarious at the time. But these were things I would never have the balls ever to say offline, I found it liberating to just air whatever was in my head.

    In some ways it helped because I then joined messageboards like this one and was able to voice my opinions in a much more constructive way and I think it's made me a slightly more confident person.

    'Trolling' seems to be something people should grow out of. It's the most obvious answer but at the moment I think it's true. The people who troll obviously feel powerless in their offline lives and this is an easy and anonymous way to express it and act out.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I still think there is a difference between playing devils advocate or stirring things up, and those people who go out with out a little care or without realising that what they are doing could be causing emotional harm.

    Its a shame it would cost too much for thesite.org/youthnet to look over old IP logs and get in touch with the police and ISPs to go give a wake up call to the horrible people who came on here after Jake0s funeral.

    Coincidentally if any of those people are still around lurking, I hate you muchly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    'Trolling' seems to be something people should grow out of. It's the most obvious answer but at the moment I think it's true. The people who troll obviously feel powerless in their offline lives and this is an easy and anonymous way to express it and act out.

    I agree. There's another forum I post on, and there's someone who constantly creates new usernames and posts the same issue over and over again. He does it elsewhere too and he faked his own death.
    I still think there is a difference between playing devils advocate or stirring things up, and those people who go out with out a little care or without realising that what they are doing could be causing emotional harm.

    I agree. I know sometimes, I've disagreed with stuff and said so - because I do disagree and not to stir things up. Forums like debate would be so boring if we all had the same opinion.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not sure I'd call this trolling. It's just abuse. Trolling is more a wind up, joke. This is just offensive.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having been using forums for all of my adult life I was always under the impression that a troll was someone like Thanatos, Steelgate or now Ronvyo, who turns up, argues with people about something we all disagree with then gets banned. Annoying, but also strangely satisfying when you see the back of them.

    Someone who posts abusive messages to people, creates FB groups slandering the dead or bullies people over the internet is a criminal and a dick. There are some laws covering this (misuses of telecommunications in particular) but we receive no guidance whatsoever on dealing with it.

    I
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I thought that too, whowhere. Many trolls are harmless - just annoying.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I always thought trolling is posting things anyone disagrees with - calling someone a troll is just another form of censorship really.

    However, this wasn't trolling but abusive communication.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is what I think of when people talk about trolling.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Trolling is deliberately saying something controversial to stir up debate or deliberately trying to derail a conversation to annoy people. It's more about annoying people than anything else. RickRolling is trolling, replying YOUR GAY or YER MAM to anything and everything is trolling. Making a video mocking a girl who killed herself by throwing herself under a train is not trolling, it's being nasty and spiteful and horrible.

    Sean Duffy appears to be trying to hide behind his Asperger's, claiming he didn't understand he was hurting people, now he's been caught. And I'm sorry but that's bullshit. Asperger's means that you don't always understand the implications of your behaviour on others; it often means that you're blunt to the point of rudeness. If you go to the trouble of making a video mocking someone who's committed suicide you know fine bloody well what effect you're having on people and you choose to do it anyway.

    I have concerns about criminalising being a cock- The Daily Mash's take on it is pretty accurate- but in this case I think it's gone beyond being a cock and has reached abusive levels. Those who abuse should face the consequences.

    It's just a shame that professional abusers like Jan Moir and Richard Tinydick won't be joining Duffy in prison.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree mostly with Arctic Roll on this affair but the only thing that concerns me is that I seriously think its because online and so remote its very easy for 'trolls' to escalate things to an unacceptable level without ever really having considered the consequences.

    A lot of this trolling is about doing it for 'the lulz', or in other words the whole point is to get a reaction. Pursuing the strongest possible reaction for entertainments purposes becomes the principle aim, which means especially in groups or communities it can escalate and escalate until it's completely inappropriate. Kind of ties into other problems too, if you look at all the 'rioters' a few weeks back - a huge proportion of them were guilty mostly of blind ignorance to what the impact of their actions were and getting caught along with the crowd mentality and the crave to get that kudos from their peers from doing increasingly dangerous, risky and shocking acts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ShyBoy wrote: »
    I agree mostly with Arctic Roll on this affair but the only thing that concerns me is that I seriously think its because online and so remote its very easy for 'trolls' to escalate things to an unacceptable level without ever really having considered the consequences.

    In general, people online say things that they wouldn't dare say to peoples' faces.
    it often means that you're blunt to the point of rudeness.

    Exactly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yea melian I agree people can be like that, because of the remoteness then you can palm off the consequences of your actions.

    I mean we all do that to greater or lesser extents every single day, plenty of things are not good but we do it and don't worry about it especially if the consequences are hidden from us, as long as we try to be good where possible to fulfil our need to be happy with ourselves. The problem facing largely teens and young people in the online forum is as they are figuring out what it means to act in a way that makes them feel good about themselves - that they're a good person - increasingly the consequences are more and more remote.

    As online communities have sprung up the 'older generations' haven't stayed in touch and have no real oversight of any of these communities. Thats a big draw in some way. Look at 'anonymous' - the point in part is its a group of people who share some values, reject authority other than their own consensus and are all the same 'niggers' or 'faggots' - terms which are used almost endearingly. They identify with each other, and there is no influence like parents, bosses, teachers or otherwise indoctrinating a standard set of norms - they've created their own.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I always thought trolling is posting things anyone disagrees with - calling someone a troll is just another form of censorship really.

    Wouldn't that technically make everyone a troll?

    I think that sometimes calling someone a troll, does mean you're losing the debate and are trying to change the subject. Different of course, if they are a troll.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just can't believe someone is doing a PhD on internet trolling...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well the point of a PhD besides teaching you how to do research is to do something new that nobody has done before.. to become an expert in that tiny niche. Internet bullying / trolling etc. seems a fairly interesting niche to do new research into. Consider that in Maths a PhD might be 'we have this formula which we think accurately models [x], but we haven't proved it. We have tested it up 1x10^6513 and it works so far, my PhD will be testing it to 1x10^6515'.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes I know, I just would have never thought of it lol
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I didn't mean to sound patronising, it happens accidentally :< sorry!
  • JsTJsT TheSite Graduate Posts: 18,265 Incredible Poster
    I think Hellfire and Stargalaxy could have sued me many times :(
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