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Osama bin Laden is dead

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Yeah, he dead and shit.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good news, would have been more significant a few years ago. It must be embarassing for the Pakistanis knowing he was living in an absurdly massive house 800 yards away from a major military officer training school.....unless they already knew...?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    WWoohoo... about time...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If only it happened on Friday evening and I wouldn't have had to put up with so much royal wedding coverage.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In all of the American jingoism, has anyone seen this "overwhelming evidence" of his involvement in 9/11 other than his confession a good few years later? His FBI most wanted page makes no mention of 9/11. A confession 5 years after the Feds say they have proof seems a bit.....meh.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NightBlade wrote: »
    In all of the American jingoism, has anyone seen this "overwhelming evidence" of his involvement in 9/11 other than his confession a good few years later? His FBI most wanted page makes no mention of 9/11. A confession 5 years after the Feds say they have proof seems a bit.....meh.

    It's not 9/11 that concerns me, its all the other stuff too.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    It's not 9/11 that concerns me, its all the other stuff too.

    i agree. people who only see the taliban becauseof their threat to the west are short sighted. What about the way theytreat their own women
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NightBlade wrote: »
    In all of the American jingoism, has anyone seen this "overwhelming evidence" of his involvement in 9/11 other than his confession a good few years later? His FBI most wanted page makes no mention of 9/11. A confession 5 years after the Feds say they have proof seems a bit.....meh.

    The major news networks are claiming him as the mastermind over 9/11 in the reports of his death - and people are rejoicing and "have closure" now. They shouldn't be. They're mostly using weasel words [those that care about their rep] like he was believed to be... which is still wrong.

    About time he's dead, but the news coverage and the way America is reacting to it is all wrong. Killing this man won't change anything, Al-Qaeda is still a threat, their driving force is their religious beliefs, not Osama.
  • Indrid ColdIndrid Cold Warming up? Posts: 16,688
    JavaKrypt wrote: »
    The major news networks are claiming him as the mastermind over 9/11 in the reports of his death - and people are rejoicing and "have closure" now. They shouldn't be. They're mostly using weasel words [those that care about their rep] like he was believed to be... which is still wrong.

    About time he's dead, but the news coverage and the way America is reacting to it is all wrong.
    Even if he was behind it, so what if he's not around any more? I'm sure his successor will be quite capable too.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is the element too of the guys on the ground, who do the dirty work, who are now perhaps thinking that if they can get bin laden who has been in hiding, then it doesnt look very good for me who is actively involved.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'll condemn his life but I think it's rather distasteful to celebrate and party over his death like they're doing in Times Square right now.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm sure his successor will be quite capable too.

    He won't have a sucessor. Al-Qaeda isn't one organisation anymore, it became fragmented long ago. What we have now is just a load of small, loosely affiliated organisations. Osama was the figurehead, but nothing will change. Same way if someone killed the Queen, we'd be pissed off but the country would keep running.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :O and? x
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Am I the only one that thinks it's a bit strange he was immediately 'buried at sea'? Call be cynical but I don't think it's a big deal he's dead, it's not like he was the only one that supposedly organised all this. Give it a few months and the US and probably the UK will suffer retaliation attacks.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thinks it's a bit strange he was immediately 'buried at sea'? Call be cynical but I don't think it's a big deal he's dead, it's not like he was the only one that supposedly organised all this. Give it a few months and the US and probably the UK will suffer retaliation attacks.

    Agreed. x
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thinks it's a bit strange he was immediately 'buried at sea'? Call be cynical but I don't think it's a big deal he's dead, it's not like he was the only one that supposedly organised all this. Give it a few months and the US and probably the UK will suffer retaliation attacks.

    It's even stranger that he was hiding in a complex 100 yards from the Pakistani army training facility and that the US enacted a military operation on Pakistani soil without telling them or involving them.

    TBH I think it is being lost in the hysteria of his death that the whole thing stinks!!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Neddy wrote: »
    It's even stranger that he was hiding in a complex 100 yards from the Pakistani army training facility and that the US enacted a military operation on Pakistani soil without telling them or involving them.

    TBH I think it is being lost in the hysteria of his death that the whole thing stinks!!

    Easiest place to hide is often the last place people would look.

    I can easily explain why they never told the Pakistani govt, because the US administration doesn't trust the ISI or the Pakistani government not to somehow leak the information. There have always been suspicions on the part of the US towards Pakistan.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote: »
    Am I the only one that thinks it's a bit strange he was immediately 'buried at sea'? Call be cynical but I don't think it's a big deal he's dead, it's not like he was the only one that supposedly organised all this. Give it a few months and the US and probably the UK will suffer retaliation attacks.

    He was buried at sea to stop his burial place becoming a shrine. Whilst he wasn't the organiser he was the 'public face' of AQ, it won't stop Islamic radicalism but its a blow to their morale and conversely a boost to those (especially Moslems) who are fighting against it

    I also can't see why the UK's at bigger risk than before and the US is only hunting him because he bore prime responsibility for killing 3000 people on US soil - so I think its fair to say he got his retaliation in first.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    CNN and others are reporting that the White House have confirmed DNA match.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    G-Raffe wrote: »
    CNN and others are reporting that the White House have confirmed DNA match.

    DNA smeeNA. Has any one ever seen Obama and Osama in the same room? Why would their names be so similar? I smell a 'spiracy!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DNA smeeNA. Has any one ever seen Obama and Osama in the same room? Why would their names be so similar? I smell a 'spiracy!

    I think you are onto something, after all many people make up conspiracies even when faced with the truth.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    DNA smeeNA. Has any one ever seen Obama and Osama in the same room? Why would their names be so similar? I smell a 'spiracy!

    Sorry, that one has already been done to death by the bumper sticker industry :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wonder how much wrong someone needs to have done before people would approve of or even celebrate their death? For instance, a murderer who killed one person might receive the death penalty, but many people would argue against execution. Perhaps if I was a relative of a murder victim I'd feel differently, but in general I really can't imagine ever being pleased about someone's death. So is there a level of killings where the majority of people would advocate the killing of the murderer?

    I agree with sanitize, that the celebration of someone's death just seems distasteful - no matter who they were. The media coverage describes the killing of bin Laden as "justice", but surely it's more about revenge and bloodlust.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The media coverage describes the killing of bin Laden as "justice", but surely it's more about revenge and bloodlust.

    Id say it was more Karma.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Somethings in life are necessary and right, no matter how distasteful they may be. I see nothing wrong in being pleased with the death of a cunt like Osama, he chose his path.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There was cheering in the streets when it was announced that Hitler died too. I don't see any problem being pleased about the death of someone the world would be better without. Of course i would've been happier to see him in the dock for war crimes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    while it is definitely very good to be pleased, the public celebrations are a bit distasteful (?) (not sure of the right word) as the people celebrating the deaths in the 9/11 attacks were highly (and rightly IMO) condemned. I know they are in completely different circumstances... (one a terrorist, the others innocent civilians) but something about today's public celebrations today doesn't sit well with me.
    And surely it'll just anger the terrorist groups more?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    while it is definitely very good to be pleased, the public celebrations are a bit distasteful (?) (not sure of the right word) as the people celebrating the deaths in the 9/11 attacks were highly (and rightly IMO) condemned. I know they are in completely different circumstances... (one a terrorist, the others innocent civilians) but something about today's public celebrations today doesn't sit well with me.
    And surely it'll just anger the terrorist groups more?

    Women being allowed to walk around without being escorted, having the vote and other such freedoms annoys us anyway. I think that any terrorist actions are likely to be attributed to "avenging OBL's death" when in fact they were going to happen anyway. Terror groups who were planning attacks will deliberately intend to attribute their attacks as revenge, attempting to discredit the actions of the US Govt.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You guys are misunderstanding exactly what we are celebrating. If he was caught alive and taken to trial we would have the exact same reaction when the guilty verdict came. It's not about him being dead it's the fact that we stopped him. A lot of people think that the only reason why we went after him is because of 9/11 when in fact Osama is responsible for several hundred other US citizens death and he's also been bombing different parts of the world. He had to be stopped just like Saddam Hussein because there's no telling what he would have done next. What we are celebrating is more than just one man being stopped, but it's one of the huge victories we've been waiting for, for almost 10 years.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You guys are misunderstanding exactly what we are celebrating. If he was caught alive and taken to trial we would have the exact same reaction when the guilty verdict came. It's not about him being dead it's the fact that we stopped him. A lot of people think that the only reason why we went after him is because of 9/11 when in fact Osama is responsible for several hundred other US citizens death and he's also been bombing different parts of the world. He had to be stopped just like Saddam Hussein because there's no telling what he would have done next. What we are celebrating is more than just one man being stopped, but it's one of the huge victories we've been waiting for, for almost 10 years.

    I think what people are trying to say, is that it is still a little tasteless to be celebrating a victory no matter how huge, when it has still been at the expense of someones life.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And surely it'll just anger the terrorist groups more?

    No doubt you're right. But, if the terrorists were able to attack, they would. There was no significant reason for 7/7 or for 9/11. All that'll change is that the next attack will be attributed to Osama, when it would have happened anyway.
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