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Music videos going too far (may be triggering)

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    and the whole "triggering" thing annoys me anyway.
    Its like putting the blame on someone else for what you do.
    The trigger is always your own head. Nothing else

    Spot on.

    I've seen the video and I didn't think there was anything wrong with it. The imagery was relevant to the song and relevant to the artistic direction of the video.

    If you're triggered by something you choose to be triggered, you choose to go away and hurt yourself. It isn't nice seeing things that tempt you, it is like offering an alcoholic a double brandy, but the choice remains with you to hurt yourself or not. Pink doesn't make you hurt yourself, you make you hurt yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's possibly another question though. Often, videos/films/games that show images of violence carry warnings. Should that be any different to self inflicted violence though?

    I don't see how things that might be triggering could all carry warnings, but I am wary of anything that 'glamourises' harmful behaviour. In a similar way to how showing smoking is not acceptable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There's possibly another question though. Often, videos/films/games that show images of violence carry warnings. Should that be any different to self inflicted violence though?

    I don't see how things that might be triggering could all carry warnings, but I am wary of anything that 'glamourises' harmful behaviour. In a similar way to how showing smoking is not acceptable.
    Pretty much.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how did it glamourise it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its no more glamourising it, than anyone walking around with scars on their arms is glamourising it.
    people self harm. Sometimes you will see evidence of this. Sometimes it will be upsetting, other times not.

    The video was showing how the whole situation came about from childhood, and why she ended up feeling so awful and doing that to herself. It wasnt making it look glamourous or good.
    I think it might actually bring some positive awareness to people
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't really understand where the glamourisation argument has come from. The girl in the video is laid in a freezing cold bath bawling her eyes out slicing her wrists open, to me it seemed the exact opposite of glamourising self-harm.

    It no more glamourises self-harm than the people who display their scars with pride.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The logic on smoking seems to be that pretty much any showing of it glamourises it, so that's a very different standard. I'm pretty confident if the preamble had been a random knife man then it would be labelled as violent. Actaully, why should the preamble make a difference to whether the scene in question is ok? It doesn't for film ratings, why should music videos be different?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The context does make a difference with film ratings though, at least to an extent, as gratuitous violence is usually censored or given a higher age rating than violence that's less graphic and more relevant to the plot of the film. A good example is that pornographic films are generally not put on general release yet 9 Songs was.

    I think a warning would have been appropriate but it's a tough one, because IMHO the video wasn't actually that graphic. It was more implied than anything.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    and the whole "triggering" thing annoys me anyway.
    Its like putting the blame on someone else for what you do.
    The trigger is always your own head. Nothing else

    This. It smacks of attempted absolving of responsibility.

    Shit a fuck: I'm completely in agreement with Arctic Roll and SuzyCreamcheese. I think I need a lie down.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The context does make a difference with film ratings though, at least to an extent, as gratuitous violence is usually censored or given a higher age rating than violence that's less graphic and more relevant to the plot of the film. A good example is that pornographic films are generally not put on general release yet 9 Songs was.

    I think a warning would have been appropriate but it's a tough one, because IMHO the video wasn't actually that graphic. It was more implied than anything.
    The uncensored version is certainly not 'more implied'.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This. It smacks of attempted absolving of responsibility.

    Shit a fuck: I'm completely in agreement with Arctic Roll and SuzyCreamcheese. I think I need a lie down.

    :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Shit a fuck: I'm completely in agreement with Arctic Roll and SuzyCreamcheese. I think I need a lie down.

    i am teh voice of reason
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Neddy wrote: »
    Likewise I don't believe a young girl would sit watching that and end up hurting herself because of it

    I'm a young girl, and that's exactly what I did. And I know 2 other girls who did as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    B-A, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't ever have hurt yourself had you not seen the video from Pink?

    Don't be daft. There are many reasons why you self-harm and there are many reasons why I self-harm. Some will be the same and some won't. But I don't think any of the reasons are "I saw someone in a shitty pop video do it", just as I didn't take up self-harm because I had a crush on Sooz from As If and she did it.
    The uncensored version is certainly not 'more implied'.

    I hadn't seen the video but I went and looked for it on youtube. It said it was the uncensored version and, other than the woman making porno grimaces and her wrist having a bit of red dye on it, you couldn't really see a great deal. It was enough to explain what she was doing, but it wasn't exactly se7en levels of graphic violence.
    Shit a fuck: I'm completely in agreement with Arctic Roll and SuzyCreamcheese. I think I need a lie down.

    :lol:

    The law of averages says you have to be right once in a while ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    B-A, are you seriously telling me that you wouldn't ever have hurt yourself had you not seen the video from Pink?

    I hadn't self harmed for a few days, which is pretty good for me. I was in a good mood, doing well, no intention of self harming.
    Then I watched the video, because I like the song.
    Seeing other people self harm or seeing other peoples cuts makes me do it, it is one of the only things that triggers me.

    I'd just of appreciated a warning on the video is all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you hadnt self harmed in a few days, which means you do it pretty damn regularly anyway. Its sad that you do this, but really, it isnt the videos fault.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you hadnt self harmed in a few days, which means you do it pretty damn regularly anyway. Its sad that you do this, but really, it isnt the videos fault.

    I was quitting Suzy, as a close friend of mine has cancer, I promised him I would.
    I just think it should of come with a warning, like books/films/games do.
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    AuroraAurora Posts: 11,722 An Original Mixlorian
    I like them...
    Pink is my fave song now, did hate it at first but was like, don't care what other people think I like them, I also like CA song as well, I love the tune x
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    oh my god, SCC just come back to this thread, you cant compare pink with morrissey!! but yeah fair point :) i agree that it should come with a graphic warning but it gets too problematic to label something as 'triggering' because it's entirely objective. i think that's why i find the term 'triggering' so confusing to use, even on this messageboard.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    well yeah, i know, i cant believe i compared the two, but you know what i mean
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it gets too problematic to label something as 'triggering' because it's entirely objective. i think that's why i find the term 'triggering' so confusing to use, even on this messageboard.

    Quite. I've started labelling anything 'triggering' if I think that generally people who are feeling shit might not enjoy reading it. I wish there was a better word for that than 'triggering' precisely because of the sort of blame that seems to imply (see SCC and AR above), because it makes me wonder if I should post at all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote: »
    Quite. I've started labelling anything 'triggering' if I think that generally people who are feeling shit might not enjoy reading it. I wish there was a better word for that than 'triggering' precisely because of the sort of blame that seems to imply (see SCC and AR above), because it makes me wonder if I should post at all.

    yeah i think that is my issue with it, it does imply a responsability which cannot really exist. particularly on a messageboard like this where some of the posts can be emotionally heartwrenching to read. i can think of a few posts which have made me well up a bit and think about things that have happened in the past but in no way would i blame the poster for 'triggering' me into feeling that way. i dont mean to sound harsh but the responsability lies with the individual. a post can trigger emotions (like any post can), but it definitely cant trigger you to actually do the deed and self harm.
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    **helen****helen** Deactivated Posts: 9,235 Supreme Poster
    yeah i think that is my issue with it, it does imply a responsability which cannot really exist. particularly on a messageboard like this where some of the posts can be emotionally heartwrenching to read. i can think of a few posts which have made me well up a bit and think about things that have happened in the past but in no way would i blame the poster for 'triggering' me into feeling that way. i dont mean to sound harsh but the responsability lies with the individual. a post can trigger emotions (like any post can), but it definitely cant trigger you to actually do the deed and self harm.

    Really interesting to hear varied views on this, good rant topic potentially - if someone feels strongly enough to write something then please drop me a PM! :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Edit - Massive unclear ramble, sorry.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It should have came with a warning I guess, but this day we take general swearing as a indication something may be risky to view. You have "Fuck You" with "Forget You", the video isn't bad but the language would be a indication that it isn't something many would enjoy. Just with Pink, you have "Fucking Perfect" with just "Perfect". I think the video fits the song perfectly, I do find it a bit awkward to watch personally, but it shouldn't be criticized over it, since that goes over the point of the video showing that it happens and we shouldn't bury it because its uncomfortable, but don't take that personally saying you shouldn't find it uncomfortable.
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