Essential support for under 25s
Essential support for under 25s
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Ok, go for it. I think there's two sexes, male and female.
By all means, feel free to re-educate me from my ignorance.
Just a pity you've gone to bed :d
Who else have you been reading, out of curiosity?
Who loathes these women?
Who are the misandristic 'mainstream'? What evidence do you have for this?
Sorry for the typo... Wollstonecraft's pamphlet was 1792...
Who?
Surely if feminism is neo-Marxist, it would be aiming for a classless society?
Well that depends on who I am. :d
I believe there are but even if there was no one else, my opinions would still be the same.
And then I sobered up and stopped caring. Ok, I'll give it to you, the lacklustre version - it has been suggested that not only is gender a social construction but the notion of two sexes a cultural one too.
What a coincidence! I just wrote a 2,548 word reply (excluding footnotes) before totally, absolutely and seriously without any question confusing "submit reply" with the "x" at the top right hand side of my screen.
Sadly, with a dose of 300mg of dihydrocodeine kicking in to numb the pain, time release broken by means of raging fist, I don't have the motivation to do anything other than lie back and dream of poking.
Don't fret yourself though, I am sure I will be back to disrupt proceedings at some point in the future. Like sometime 2015 if you're lucky
Until then, namaste, Ms Namaste.
*hug*
There are certainly people who fall between the two accepted biological sexes, they must have always been around just not understood maybe.
Several or one, 'we' used to just have one.
Just one last poke, what she means to say is we as a species were formerly androgynist before teh nasty menz took over and invented "gender" (which she confuses with "sex") as a means by which to subjugate teh poor little womenz.
Of course you have to decide if problems are really problems, and this is one major issue. Women getting paid less on average isn't necessarily a problem, if it turns out that most of that is due to the choices they make. Women getting paid less for the same job as a man, or being refused a job because she's a certain age and might get pregnant is a problem imo. But again, it'd be wrong to just assume that women get paid less because of discrimination. There was a study into top MBA graduates in America that showed that the men got paid more than women on average. But it also showed that the men were far more likely to ask for more money. The correct response here from a feminist perspective would be to encourage women to be just as competitive, if for no other reason than the possibility that their failure to negotiate was actually masking genuine discrimination on the part of the employers.
However, like I said, I have no problem with an employment system designed around the family and family life, because I do think it benefits society as a whole. It just so happens that women will be the chief beneficiaries of such a system, but that's only because they choose to look after the kids more often than not. But what is wrong with a system that tries to allow people to have their cake and eat it? I don't think that wanting to spend time with your kids should prevent you from having high-level, important jobs in society, and I think society, law and business should do everything it can to help that become the case. The fact that it will mainly benefit one gender is irrelevant to me.
Oh no, I don't confuse gender and sex at all.
And then Katralla was formed from God of Schmuck's rib. And life would never be the same.
I'm intrigued too, but we appear to have only been offered some very nebulous allusions to esoteric truths about gender at the moment.
Perhaps it is an esoteric line of thought to consider that things exist BEFORE we categorise them. So, bodies exist before we categorise that there are two sexes. The idea that there are two sexes isn't a 'truth' evidenced by bodies, it's an idea that we then apply to bodies.
I hardly think it's derailing a thread on feminism to refer to feminist postmodernist notions of social construction and chuck about a few anti-essentialist ideas around sex as well as gender. In fact, I find it amusing, it makes my brain chuckle.
Thanks. I appreciate the cogent rebuttal! ;-)
Where ? :hyper:
I don't take exception to discussion about the nuances of gender and/or sexual identity, I suspect it's likely to prove interesting. It was just frustrating to read the ill-concealed smugness that seemed to appear halfway through this thread; a guffawing behind the hand while trying to goad Spliffie into admitting the oh-so-naive belief that there are two sexes.
If anyone is interested the reason I started this thread was to ask if you are a feminist, do you feel (for whatever reason) compelled to downplay the fact in public due to perceived negative traits associated with it.
Er, yeah, I was having a little jostle around with a few theories. He gave a very cocksure answer himself, why not challenge it? And the two sexes thing- well, it's an easy target. I actually thought he was in on the joke rather than me giggling behind my hand. Perhaps I should slow down a bit?
I'm all for the challenging of ideas, especially on an interesting topic like this, I just think there are ways of fostering productive dialogue. Maybe I read it wrong, I dunno.