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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100820/twl-judge-asks-doctors-to-damage-crimina-3fd0ae9.html
This is truly sickening to me :yuck:
This is truly sickening to me :yuck:
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At least the doctors they've asked so far have a moral code - if this is the judge's ruling, will a hospital be made to do it in the end?
Say what you like about the Saudis, when it comes to justice, they don't fuck about.
Unlike us it would seem.
Then why hasn't it been done? Why have they not ordered it to be done, rather than asking? Are they expecting volunteers?
Hmm yes i can see that, but if everyone lived by this rule we'd all be blind.
I think Grace's comment is fair, if it was intentional then perhaps it could be more fitting
Two things: this is something that you and I have zero control over. That is the law of the sovereign nation of Saudi Arabia and the decision has been made by its court system. We have as much chance of changing that decision as I do of playing for Man United.
Secondly, part of me thinks who are we to opine on the morality and moral codes of other nations just because they're not commensurate with our own? Whilst I state again, that what is being ordered by the court is abhorrent, it's their affair and since the location of the crime, the perpetrator and the jurisdiction was all Saudi, what on earth does it have to do with us? Are we now the moral police of the world?
So you can wring your hands and tut as loudly as you want, but it won't change a thing.
I wipe my arse with the concept of 'different cultures' or 'their country, their rules'. What's unacceptable barbarism is unacceptable barbarism, and we should condemn any regime that would allow or even contemplate such act as the backward brutal cunts they would be.
And if we had any backbone and moral fibre, we would restrict diplomatic ties and business with regimes that engage in unacceptable acts like this. If some business deals are lost as a result, so be fucking it.
Funnily enough, I don't see the likes of the Muslim Council of Great Britain standing up and condemning this. Why not?
What have the christian USofA ever done for us? [to misquote Monty Python]
Apart from waterboarding, lethal injections, electric chair etc
Of course, you can argue that none of that is done "in the name of" christianity. Right up until someone uses the expression "an eye for an eye".
Religion doesn't make any difference to whether or not acts of barbarism are carried out in the name of justice.
eye for an eye isn't even a christian thing, it's an old testament thing, this is what jesus thought of it, and i'm not even a christian and i'm more aware of it than most rednecks
http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-ancient/biography-of-jesus-christ/who-is-Jesus-by-matthew/gospel-of-matthew-5_38-42.php
Lend lease, WW1, NATO, Buffy the Vampire Slayer...
I assume as you've watched Monty Python you know the answer to what the Roman's did...:p
:d :d :d
The Old Testament is an integral part (perhaps the only part) of Christ's teachings.
(I think the previous Christ quote would produce more understanding if read in the context of its delivery)
No pun intended, of course... :d
it might be an integral part, but there's many bits jesus thinks are a load of crap tbh
i don't see the eye for an eye christian people claiming we shouldn't eat pork or stone adulterers for example
What exactly does this teach children / young people?
Sick sick sick
What's moral to one person isn't moral to another and vice versa. Ultimately, I appreciate what you're saying about how this is a message board e.t.c. but at the end of the day what one country decides to do within it's own borders to one it's own citizens who broke the law is fuck all to do with us. Perhaps the Saudi citizens like these laws? Have you asked the typical Saudi in the street what he thinks should happen to a murderer or rapist? Perhaps they think our system of trying to rehabilitate thieves is just as immoral as their system of making sure they don't do it again.
One might disagree about what level of response or internvention might be appropriate, but not doing or at least saying something should simply be not an option.
Do you disagree with most nations of the world's stance against Apartheid South Africa? Do you think that instead of applying pressure and implementing economic and cultural boycotts we should have treated that regime like any other? At the end of the day, if they saw black people as subhuman 'niggers' and treated them worse than dogs it's none of our business, right?
If we turn around to the Saudis and say "stop using these punishments or else" what if they say "or else what". I don't think we have a right to intefere, in the same way that if they tried to intefere with how we run things we'd be telling them to fuck off.
It's exactly the same principle. And I for one am happy we don't simply look the other way when human right abuses are perpetrated.
Not so much Buffy as Sarah Michelle Geller?
But yeah, I know the quote. My point was that Islam isn't the issue here, torture and mistreatment is.
Both
It is unclear to me which bits those are.
True enough but I would wager substantially that Jesus never ate a bacon butty.
Even after 40 days and 40 nights.